Woman hits man on bus - watch video and decide....

[Me Myself]

It's best in a potentially dangerous or life-threatening situation to assume the worst "possible consequences." If getting beaten, raped, or killed is realistically a "possible" consequence in a given situation, it's rather asinine to not act according to that possibility.

Thats exactly why scandal and withdrawal was the best action, along with minimal use pf umbrella so not giving excuse to allies of assaulter to take it away as the assaulter is showing himself submissive and with hands where they can be seen.

 

[Riverwolf]

Good. She did exactly what she should have done, considering the circumstances.

 

[Me Myself]

If this had been a dark alley I would say incapacitate the man on one strike if you are able (like a kick in the nuts! ) and then run. If in heels, you might want to completely incapacitate him before running if able or just take them out and run after heels in nuts.

 

[Alceste]

That is true, that is how they are selected. The problem is that predators also tend to have ego things, specially those in groups.

It is not by far uncommon that they want to strike back the girl now with the gang after she dared do that to them.

You need to watch more nature documentaries.

 

[Me Myself]

You need to watch more nature documentaries.

I meant human predators.

Human psychology has a pair of extras.

Vengeance for example, with the ability to hold a grudge long enough to attack the object of such when vulnerable and in pack.

 

[Badran]

We don't know if it worked because we don't know if a) that was staged or

Assuming that the video is not staged, it worked. If you don't like the video, i can give you other examples from Egypt.

There were a couple of famous incidents like that here, where the woman reacted like that, kept holding onto the man and wouldn't let go until the police gets there, in the face of criticism from a lot of people standing by, urging her to "let him go" and stuff like that.

In those situations, things worked out rather brilliantly, and sent a clear, strong message to cowards who often engage in stuff like this. If it were to happen more often, i'd think it might reduce how rampant such assaults are.

b) the followed her afterwards.

That could happen whether she reacted like she did, reacted like how you think she should, or reacted in complete silence. Thus, hypothetical scenarios of how you think the scum may decide and get the chance to follow her afterwards do not invalidate the fact that she clearly put him in his place and ended the assault that was happening to her, in a most satisfying manner.

It was best for society an cowing though.

I don't think it was "justified" but it is not condemnable either. She had her well being as priority and thats how it should have been.

I realize you don't think it's justified, but i've seen no argument so far that helps me understand such sentiment.

 

[DallasApple]

(like a kick in the nuts!

That doesn't work .Only in the movies.You punch them in the throat (like where an Adams apple would be) as hard as you can with your knuckles or a hard object if you have one.

 

[Me Myself]

That could happen whether she reacted like she did, reacted like how you think she should, or reacted in complete silence. Thus, hypothetical scenarios of how you think the scum may decide and get the chance to follow her afterwards do not invalidate the fact that she clearly put him in his place and ended the assault that was happening to her, in a most satisfying manner.

Making a scandal and avoiding unnecessary further hurting towards the guys little ego minimized the chances of him venturing further after it.

About justifiable, the space had already been achieved and after it was achieved she kept hitting. That part doesnt seem reasonable to me. No, not bad, I am pretty much careless about it but it was not "reasonable" . It didnt seem to come out of a place of reason but fear.

So given that I saw no reason for attack after her territory seemed secure and he was already showing his hands displaying submission and out of her space, I dont think it is "reasonable" nor particularly "right" .

Its gray enough to not be morally wrong IMHO, but definetely not "right" and for the circumstances, no "reason" to do it either. She did it because she was scared, and that was okay.

(The oxford says justify would mean to deem reasonable or right to do x)

 

[Me Myself]

That doesn't work .Only in the movies.You punch them in the throat (like where an Adams apple would be) as hard as you can with your knuckles or a hard object if you have one.

Seems like a harder target to me, but hey, if it works for you, awesome.

Whatever you can do to incapacitate him time enough to run away and get safe somewhere.

 

[Alceste]

That doesn't work .Only in the movies.You punch them in the throat (like where an Adams apple would be) as hard as you can with your knuckles or a hard object if you have one.

I've kicked a couple guys in the junk. Seemed to work OK.

 

[Alceste]

Making a scandal and avoiding unnecessary further hurting towards the guys little ego minimized the chances of him venturing further after it.

About justifiable, the space had already been achieved and after it was achieved she kept hitting. That part doesnt seem reasonable to me. No, not bad, I am pretty much careless about it but it was not "reasonable" . It didnt seem to come out of a place of reason but fear.

So given that I saw no reason for attack after her territory seemed secure and he was already showing his hands displaying submission and out of her space, I dont think it is "reasonable" nor particularly "right" .

Its gray enough to not be morally wrong IMHO, but definetely not "right" and for the circumstances, no "reason" to do it either. She did it because she was scared, and that was okay.

(The oxford says justify would mean to deem reasonable or right to do x)

There's more to it than just restoring your space for the moment though. You need to also demonstrate unambiguously that you are not to be ****** with.

If their egos hurt, they'll just take it out on someone else. Someone they perceive as weak or vulnerable.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I've kicked a couple guys in the junk. Seemed to work OK.

Worked on me.

 

[DallasApple]

Seems like a harder target to me, but hey, if it works for you, awesome.

Its not a harder target/it takes less strength and it has the affect of being strangled and choked for some time afterwards.I learned it from a retired police detective.And have since seen it advised to women for self defense elsewhere.

 

[Aquitaine]

...was she overreacting, or was she justified?

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Lady slaps a pervert in bus - YouTube

What would you do if you were her? Or if you were on the bus with the group?

Totally justified, that'll teach him! Props to the woman.

However, part of me wonders if this was staged.

 

[Me Myself]

I've kicked a couple guys in the junk. Seemed to work OK.

I was thinking similarly.

I come from a boy's highschool. This means:

Do you know which is the capital of *country that I have forgotten*

No, which?

BANGCOCK! *hit in the nuts*


Guy grabbed his sack and suffered for a while, and it was a very mild hit too.

I almost hit the guy who asked ME about the capital (I had already seen this towards others) but I chose to scare him off instead.

 

[Curious George]

It's best in a potentially dangerous or life-threatening situation to assume the worst "possible consequences." If getting beaten, raped, or killed is realistically a "possible" consequence in a given situation, it's rather asinine to not act according to that possibility.

Reminds me of Bernie Goetz (1984). "You don't look so bad, here have another."

People justified and still justify his actions, partly because of the NYC culture in the 80's. Not so sure I agree. Not really sure where I stand on this woman's actions, or on condoning behavior based on emotional outrage. I understand why she reacted as she did, and thankfully no one including her was critically injured. Given that, perhaps her choice reaction was best. But I wonder, where we draw the line.

 

[Me Myself]

Its not a harder target/it takes less strength and it has the affect of being strangled and choked for some time afterwards.I learned it from a retired police detective.And have since seen it advised to women for self defense elsewhere.

Again, if it works for you, awesome. I ve never tried it, so I dont pretend knowledge on it.

Kicks on junk I do would expect easier target. You kick with the leg that is more powerful and trust me, if you KICKED the guy is at least knocked out for what? Three seconds? Three seconds to the very least cursing and then he will run like a crippled.

The added benefit of a kick is that when humans experience fear, blood goes to legs, so you run better... And you guessed it, kick better

 

[DallasApple]

I'm curious why so many think its staged? I don't know it looked real to me.

 

[Me Myself]

Reminds me of Bernie Goetz (1984). "You don't look so bad, here have another."

People justified and still justify his actions, partly because of the NYC culture in the 80's. Not so sure I agree. Not really sure where I stand on this woman's actions, or on condoning behavior based on emotional outrage. I understand why she reacted as she did, and thankfully no one including her was critically injured. Given that, perhaps her choice reaction was best. But I wonder, where we draw the line.

The line should be simple:

Always stop when the assaulter seems to have been reasonably incapacitated to further attack and you are safe.

In is case, the scandal itself incapacitated the attacker. The original push or hit or whatever was completely justified way of getting him out of her body.

The hits that had nothing to do with her safety were useless and bette left avoided when one has the cool brain to avoid so.

Which she understandably didnt have.

 

[Me Myself]

I'm curious why so many think its staged? I don't know it looked real to me.

I dont know if it is. The good side of it not being staged would be that the guy could actually have been reported as you can very clearly see his face in the video.