Women need to start boycotting sports

[IndigoChild5559]

Hopefully they are more conscionable than the IBA and consider the IOC recommendation "that diverse gender identities and variations in sex characteristics should not be assumed as an unquestionable sign of disproportionate advantage nor imply unavoidable risk to other athletes. Rather, any eligibility rules should be based on ethical, credible, and peer-reviewed research".

My thoughts on this matter were adequately expressed in the opening post.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

We are trying to equal up society by distinguishing the individual's gender from their sex.

I have said repeatedly that I have no problems with individuals that don't fit into the typical boxes. I have no problems with intersexed individuals. I have no problems with anyone who identifies as transgender.

However, there will be those occasions where the best interests of a tiny minority are at odds with the best interests of the majority. I hate it when that happens. I guess everyone hates that. Where we differ is what to do when that occurs. IMHO, helping the few at the expense of the many is crazy and wrong.

I would love trans women to be able to compete in sports. But they are unable to do that without screwing the women for which the competition was designed for. It's not a matter of being transphobic. Its a matter of being pro-women.

 

[GoodAttention]

I have said repeatedly that I have no problems with individuals that don't fit into the typical boxes. I have no problems with intersexed individuals. I have no problems with anyone who identifies as transgender.

However, there will be those occasions where the best interests of a tiny minority are at odds with the best interests of the majority. I hate it when that happens. I guess everyone hates that. Where we differ is what to do when that occurs. IMHO, helping the few at the expense of the many is crazy and wrong.

I would love trans women to be able to compete in sports. But they are unable to do that without screwing the women for which the competition was designed for. It's not a matter of being transphobic. Its a matter of being pro-women.

If you can show me information as the IOC states that disadvantage is unquestionable then I will support your view in full.

But until then I will be pro-women and support equal pay, maternity leave, reproductive rights, and ending domestic violence and sexual assault instead.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If you can show me information as the IOC states that disadvantage is unquestionable then I will support your view in full.

I think if I went through the trouble to find and quote sources about how it creates an unequal playing field for women, you wouldn't bother reading it, and would summarily dismiss it. No vale la pena.

 

[Augustus]

To say a person who has DSD and goes through male puberty is therefore going to outperform a person who didn't is only an inference until it can be confirmed. I dare say their level of androgenization would be less than a male without DSD, and quantifying punch strength, lung capacity, blood volume, hemoglobin, and bone density to assess the real risk of safety should be considered.

You can’t quantify these things. You can’t test someone’s punch strength to determine eligibility as they would just pull their punches.

But there is no doubt that undergoing male puberty brings a different kind of athletic advantage than any other factor.

That is why there is a protected category for female athletes otherwise they could not compete. The fastest women ever (who was doped to the gills) has a slower 100m time than the fastest 15 year old boy.

To say that as long as the person who has undergone male puberty isn't too good an athlete we should let them into the women's class makes little sense. It's ok for them to win gold, but as long as they undergo the pretence of keeping it close enough.

If you are getting too good, just train a bit less and take your foot off the gas to get your stats in the right zone.

Certainly beats asking a person who has gone through male puberty to start hormonal therapy to lower testosterone like the IAAF did with Semenya.

Yes, as this doesn’t remove the innate advantage granted by going through male puberty. It's a lose/lose situation.

But in athletics it's just unfair, it isn't going to potentially kill anyone.

Rather, any eligibility rules should be based on ethical, credible, and peer-reviewed research".

The ethical, credible and peer reviewed research is absolutely unequivocal on the advantages of male puberty.

It has shown the risks of those who have undergone male puberty being allowed to compete in women's combat and collision sports.

The IOC base their categories in why it says in someone’s passport which has nothing to do with science, and is simply a legal/administrative matter, and may reflect medical error at time of birth and during infancy. It is also not open and honest about risks and its decision making process regarding these.

Perhaps they should follow their own advice in this situation.

 

[blü 2]

I have said repeatedly that I have no problems with individuals that don't fit into the typical boxes. I have no problems with intersexed individuals. I have no problems with anyone who identifies as transgender.

However, there will be those occasions where the best interests of a tiny minority are at odds with the best interests of the majority. I hate it when that happens. I guess everyone hates that. Where we differ is what to do when that occurs. IMHO, helping the few at the expense of the many is crazy and wrong.

I would love trans women to be able to compete in sports. But they are unable to do that without screwing the women for which the competition was designed for. It's not a matter of being transphobic. Its a matter of being pro-women.

And I agree, but repeat that it's all a work in progress.

 

[Revoltingest]

Fairness about her strength, or body looking ?

But she looks "mannish".
Apparently this shouldn't be allowed.
Being born female, raised female, & having always been female isn't enuf.
Women must all "look" pretty much the same.
That's what the Russian controlled IOC requires.
Also that no one beat undefeated Russian boxers.

 

[Revoltingest]

I fully agree with you. This woke equality garbage is destroying women's sports by the boatload and it's showing in a very tactile way.

By allowing women (who were born female) to compete as women?
What an unfair advantage!

 

[Godobeyer]

By allowing women (who were born female) to compete as women?
What an unfair advantage!

I think it's about politic, IBA just give italian boxer price 75 000 dollars for this crying victim scene.

 

[Godobeyer]

3it's planned.

 

[Koldo]

I have said repeatedly that I have no problems with individuals that don't fit into the typical boxes. I have no problems with intersexed individuals. I have no problems with anyone who identifies as transgender.

However, there will be those occasions where the best interests of a tiny minority are at odds with the best interests of the majority. I hate it when that happens. I guess everyone hates that. Where we differ is what to do when that occurs. IMHO, helping the few at the expense of the many is crazy and wrong.

What majority... exactly?
Are you under the impression that the genetic difference between an average athlete and an olympic champion is negligible? Because that's not the case at all.

 

[Godobeyer]

Amy Broadhurst

@amybroadhurst12

Can’t imagine what she’s going thru. The public are destroying her and this is the results!! Keep the head high champ!

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[Estro Felino]

Maybe if Algeria gave LGBTIQs more freedom, she would feel much less pressure.
We don't know whether the government allowed her to cure her condition through a hormone therapy.
We don't know whether she is free to express herself.

 

[Godobeyer]

Maybe if Algeria gave LGBTIQs more freedom, she would feel much less pressure.
We don't know whether the government allowed her to cure her condition through a hormone therapy.
We don't know whether she is free to express herself.

Yes,you absolutely right. it's about politics.
If Elon Musk come Algeria, will back man, and Elon Musk be thankfull to Algeria. Just kidding.

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[IndigoChild5559]

What majority... exactly?

Biological females.

 

[GoodAttention]

You can’t quantify these things. You can’t test someone’s punch strength to determine eligibility as they would just pull their punches.

But there is no doubt that undergoing male puberty brings a different kind of athletic advantage than any other factor.

That is why there is a protected category for female athletes otherwise they could not compete. The fastest women ever (who was doped to the gills) has a slower 100m time than the fastest 15 year old boy.

To say that as long as the person who has undergone male puberty isn't too good an athlete we should let them into the women's class makes little sense. It's ok for them to win gold, but as long as they undergo the pretence of keeping it close enough.

If you are getting too good, just train a bit less and take your foot off the gas to get your stats in the right zone.



Yes, as this doesn’t remove the innate advantage granted by going through male puberty. It's a lose/lose situation.

But in athletics it's just unfair, it isn't going to potentially kill anyone.

Agreed.

The ethical, credible and peer reviewed research is absolutely unequivocal on the advantages of male puberty.

It has shown the risks of those who have undergone male puberty being allowed to compete in women's combat and collision sports.

Now the question we will need to pose any scientist or specialist medical practitioner worth their creditionals is the following;

"Should we infer from the results we have about the advantages of male puberty to be sufficient for those with DSD?"

The IOC base their categories in why it says in someone’s passport which has nothing to do with science, and is simply a legal/administrative matter, and may reflect medical error at time of birth and during infancy. It is also not open and honest about risks and its decision making process regarding these.

Perhaps they should follow their own advice in this situation.

The IOC is asking the same question as I am, which is clear evidence back by independent research.

Until then, why should they change anything?

At this point who is the realist and who is the idealist?

 

[Koldo]

Biological females.

Most of which are at a genetic disadvantage when they try to compete with other biological females. How exactly is their best interest (the majority) being protected even if trans or intersex athletes were forbidden from competing against cisgender women?

 

[GoodAttention]

Maybe if Algeria gave LGBTIQs more freedom, she would feel much less pressure.

Her passport says woman, therefore Algeria recognizes her as a woman.

We don't know whether the government allowed her to cure her condition through a hormone therapy.

Cure what exactly?

We don't know whether she is free to express herself.

Certainly not "in the same class" to express herself like her Italian counterpart, if her Italian counterpart is the benchmark for "free" and "express herself".

 

[GoodAttention]

I think if I went through the trouble to find and quote sources about how it creates an unequal playing field for women, you wouldn't bother reading it, and would summarily dismiss it. No vale la pena.

Pero más yo quiero is the reason why I would.

If you are convinced sufficient data exists you are best to forward it to the IOC for consideration, unless you think Citius, Altius, Fortius – Communiter is also no vale la pena.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Most of which are at a genetic disadvantage when they try to compete with other biological females. How exactly is their best interest (the majority) being protected even if trans or intersex athletes were forbidden from competing against cisgender women?

Seriously? It sounds like you are arguing against having women's sports.