World in chaos

[idav]

The world is currently more populated then it ever has been. That in itself can cause a bit of chaos but it isnt enough to end the world. People will be striving in smaller groups before the planet gets rid of all the humans. Well earth is hostile and organisms struggle to survive on this planet for any given amount of time. Until this earth becomes some magical paradise resort we will continue to struggle against the chaos that is nature.

 

[idav]

Actually, the bible teaches we are to “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall on all the beasts of the earth, and on all the birds in the sky, on every creature that moves along the ground, and on all the fish in the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."

So as you can see, we are not its guests, if one accepts the bible, we are its master, it's owner, as god gave it to us, and all living things shoud fear and dread us. Sounds to me like those that have destroyed the earth are the TRUE christians.

Haven't we been doing that? Scientists have been telling this earth whose boss for a long time, eventually the other organisms will get the memo.

 

[Amechania]

There is that one guy in madagascar, he's got it right.:yes:

Who?!

 

[Whiterain]

Part of the problem I see is that we are in the information age. In the past folks were aware of only a small percentage of what went on in their own regions, much less globally. Today we here about things like this hourly. It doesn't mean it occurs any more frequently, given the opportunities to occur, then in the past.

I was going to mention it is the exposure as well.

All the chaos, disease, hunger, famine, biblical environmental catastrophe and politicians openly flexing their nuclear might, words aren't enough.

And that comet from last year, that was intense and now nobody even talks about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcROVqmF9SY

Those were an intense few days. I was wasted and inebriated for about a week.

 

[InChrist]

Ignoring the obvious you have yet to do. Your solution to the problem isn't one though. It amounts to resignation and actively cheering on the end of existence.

Not so. I and the Christians I know are actively choosing to address problems and live in ways which offer solutions. There is a huge difference between resignation and cheering on the end of the world (as you are implying) and hoping for the return of Christ to save the situation which will actually bring eternal solutions.

 

[InChrist]

Part of the problem I see is that we are in the information age. In the past folks were aware of only a small percentage of what went on in their own regions, much less globally. Today we here about things like this hourly. It doesn't mean it occurs any more frequently, given the opportunities to occur, then in the past.

I agree that we are in the information age and this does provide vast amounts of news concerning events on a global scale. Nevertheless, I believe the fact is that such events are a reality and many of these are things which have not happened in the past, along with a frequency which did not take place in the past. Even the fact that we are in such an information age is a part of the biblical prophesy concerning the end of the age scenario.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Haven't we been doing that? Scientists have been telling this earth whose boss for a long time, eventually the other organisms will get the memo.

Yes. TBH I don't think it's religion or science, so much as human nature, being the nature of all life, to what I have referred to recently as the objective purpose of life; i.e. to struggle against the gradient of entropy. I struggle at times, despairing that man can ever control his impulse to control, exploit, and take advantage. This is the natural impulse common to ALL LIFE. It is the purpose of life, to build, accumulate, and organize against entropy.

Our only hope is that enough people find their subjective purpose, to define for themselves who they want to be, rather than having their being determined by external nature.

In the end, humanity will never destroy the earth or the natural environment. Even if it takes life a million years to recover after we do our worst and disappear, life, the earth, nature, will precede.

It is only humanities place on earth that is in jeopardy.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

I was going to mention it is the exposure as well.

All the chaos, disease, hunger, famine, biblical environmental catastrophe and politicians openly flexing their nuclear might, words aren't enough.

And that comet from last year, that was intense and now nobody even talks about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcROVqmF9SY

Those were an intense few days. I was wasted and inebriated for about a week.

I think so. Comets and NEOs have ALWAYS existed and been a threat. But now they are 'prophets of doom' on the discovery channel every day. Super volcanos could have explodes at any time, but now they are 'Armageddon no. 3 in our countdown.'

Just 200 years ago, almost every male around the world participated in one war in his life time. 2000 years ago men participated in a dozen wars in their lifetime.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

I agree that we are in the information age and this does provide vast amounts of news concerning events on a global scale. Nevertheless, I believe the fact is that such events are a reality and many of these are things which have not happened in the past, along with a frequency which did not take place in the past. Even the fact that we are in such an information age is a part of the biblical prophesy concerning the end of the age scenario.

Sorry if I'm asking you to repeat yourself, but can you give examples of things that have not happened in the past? Can you point to the prophesy concerning the 'information age?'

 

[sun rise]

Despite what ever you will take from the news, things like war, violence, crime, poverty and chaos are at an all time low.

The news, especially broadcast, is created by those who want to promote fear and anger in order to sell ads. You've obviously looked beyond the headlines into what is really going on. I've read similar positive stories. Add to those positive stories recent history where World War III was avoided by the action of one person, a Russian submarine commander. And World War II was a total war all over the Earth between the forces of darkness and those of light all over the Earth.

So my conclusion is a bit odd perhaps, but I do agree we've been living in the "end times" but that we're now emerging into a better world. Of course, birth is a messy and painful process so my conclusion is that we're in the middle of the birth process.

 

[George-ananda]

Feel free to read and/or comment or discuss.

Do you think things are worse now than the near past and distant past?? I think things are overall better and getting better.

 

[InChrist]

Sorry if I'm asking you to repeat yourself, but can you give examples of things that have not happened in the past?

Until 1948 the Jewish people were dispersed throughout the world without a nation, but now Israel is a nation again in their original homeland as foretold in the scriptures.

Things that threaten life on earth which did not exist in the past include nuclear armaments, genetically modified crops and animals. toxic chemicals, superbugs resistant to antibiotics. technology that could be abused and used for evil.

Can you point to the prophesy concerning the 'information age?'

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“But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” Daniel 12:4

 

[InChrist]

Do you think things are worse now than the near past and distant past?? I think things are overall better and getting better.

In some ways things are better than they were in the near and distant past, at least in certain areas. Yet I think overall things are declining and events are coming together which will result in things getting worse. When that takes place, I don't know, but it appears to me to be getting close. For example, the GMO situation. No one really knows the impact of genetically modified organisms on the ecosystem. Along with that companies like Monsanto who are patenting GM crops are trying to control the supply of food for profit and food is a basic for survival.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Until 1948 the Jewish people were dispersed throughout the world without a nation, but now Israel is a nation again in their original homeland as foretold in the scriptures.

Things that threaten life on earth which did not exist in the past include nuclear armaments, genetically modified crops and animals. toxic chemicals, superbugs resistant to antibiotics. technology that could be abused and used for evil.

“But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.” Daniel 12:4

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There was a time one could point at gun powder and say the same thing. As far as knowledge increasing, when hasn't it? Other than the dark ages.

 

[InChrist]

There was a time one could point at gun powder and say the same thing. As far as knowledge increasing, when hasn't it? Other than the dark ages.

Maybe so, but I think the things I mentioned above have far more potential for destruction that gunpowder. I would think you must at least agree that the level of information today is unprecedented and is increasing daily, unlike any other time in history.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Maybe so, but I think the things I mentioned above have far more potential for destruction that gunpowder. I would think you must at least agree that the level of information today is unprecedented and is increasing daily, unlike any other time in history.

I do agree with that. You must agree that the level of medical technology, drugs, and cures is increasing at an unprecedented rate? As well as our understanding of time and space? Our own history and perhaps future options?

I'm also quite sure that an 'adjustment' or two are on the way. These will be very painful. I don't even doubt the very strong possibility that it will all end (as far as mankind's place in the universe).

However, as bad as things may be or may get, I find the idea of proclaiming it divinely ordained to be cowardly. I do not mean to insult you personally. This is my opinion of the position. Face it, do something about, endure it, own it. It's not god, it's not evil doers, it's not them.

It's us. We are doing this. Even those of us that see it happening are participating. It's not pre-ordained, it's not inevitable. And believing it is can do nothing but move us closer to a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[InChrist]

I do agree with that. You must agree that the level of medical technology, drugs, and cures is increasing at an unprecedented rate? As well as our understanding of time and space? Our own history and perhaps future options?

I'm also quite sure that an 'adjustment' or two are on the way. These will be very painful. I don't even doubt the very strong possibility that it will all end (as far as mankind's place in the universe).

However, as bad as things may be or may get, I find the idea of proclaiming it divinely ordained to be cowardly. I do not mean to insult you personally. This is my opinion of the position. Face it, do something about, endure it, own it. It's not god, it's not evil doers, it's not them.

It's us. We are doing this. Even those of us that see it happening are participating. It's not pre-ordained, it's not inevitable. And believing it is can do nothing but move us closer to a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I do something about it by admitting my fault as a selfish, sinful individual which harms others and this world and desiring to repent or change from that state of affairs to the right way of God the Creator. Many people just simply refuse to admit their sin and have no desire to change. Besides that buying organic food, growing gardens, watching water usage, helping neighbors, etc. do make a difference, but these things alone will not deal with the ever-growing sinfulness of humanity. I believe each person must come to terms with that between them and God.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

I do something about it by admitting my fault as a selfish, sinful individual which harms others and this world and desiring to repent or change from that state of affairs to the right way of God the Creator. Many people just simply refuse to admit their sin and have no desire to change. Besides that buying organic food, growing gardens, watching water usage, helping neighbors, etc. do make a difference, but these things alone will not deal with the ever-growing sinfulness of humanity. I believe each person must come to terms with that between them and God.

I'm not saying you aren't doing something about it. But when you by organic, it typically comes from much further away, taking much more energy and fuel to transport, making more pollution. Not always of course. But you buy clothes? They take energy to produce? Even the most conscientious americans leave a carbon footprint greater than a dozen individuals 100 years ago. You don't own a car? You ride a bicycle everywhere you go. The tires on that bike took more energy to produce and left a greater carbon footprint than a single person over an entire year only 200 years ago.

 

[InChrist]

I'm not saying you aren't doing something about it. But when you by organic, it typically comes from much further away, taking much more energy and fuel to transport, making more pollution. Not always of course. But you buy clothes? They take energy to produce? Even the most conscientious americans leave a carbon footprint greater than a dozen individuals 100 years ago. You don't own a car? You ride a bicycle everywhere you go. The tires on that bike took more energy to produce and left a greater carbon footprint than a single person over an entire year only 200 years ago.

Exactly why I believe we need a Savior to come soon. With all of human progression there are still negative consequences. Unless someone goes off to live a simple self-sufficient life growing all their own food and never traveling everything we do can have some kind of negative impact on the planet and its resources. I believe finding perfect solutions for these problems is beyond fallen human ability, but not difficult at all for a perfect Creator to deal with or provide the wisdom we need to do so.

P.S. Most places that sell organic produce try to get it local, at least where I live.

 

[BSM1]

I think this world is in chaos and every day this is verified with news accounts and events taking place all across the globe. I believe this is a strong indication pointing to the end of the age and the soon return of Jesus Christ. In this thread I am going to post some of these news stories and events as I have time, but I'll only be able to highlight very few at a time since so much is happening so fast it's really too hard to keep up with everything. Feel free to read and/or comment or discuss.

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