Would Putin Go After Hillary Over This?

[Revoltingest]

That is not what is dangerous. What's dangerous is that Trump ran as the "tells it like it is" candidate and promised to release his tax returns before the election. Then he lied and dissembled about it. He kept coming up with spurious reasons for breaking the promise.
And the thing is, his business acumen was his sole credential. Unless you want to count media manipulation and Twitter battles. His tax returns could have bolstered that claim or destroyed it. His lying about it and refusing to back up his claim that he is a brilliant businessman speaks volumes about him. And the fact that his supporters don't care about lies, as long as they are lies they like, speaks volumes about them.
Tom

You misunderstand.
It's not that we don't care about lies.
(But what you call a lie might not be one, since intentions & strategies change
during a campaign. Some promises might be overly optimistic but sincere.)
It would be wonderful to have honest ethical leaders.
But what matters is what he would effect in office.
To harp on his being a liar doesn't even begin to address this.
Moreover, the alternative was no George Washington, having corruption problems at least
as large as his. So to rail against him thus would be to make both candidates unacceptable.
When we finally see some policies, then we'll have some fresh meat.

 

[columbus]

You misunderstand.
It's not that we don't care about lies

You and @esmith have both said you don't care about lies.
Trump said he would release his tax returns before the election. Then he said he would after the audit. And then after Obama proved he was eligible for office. Then after Hillary released private emails. But he never did.
This is not just a normal overly optimistic campaign promise for the future. Trump flat out lied in a very self serving way.
And his supporters don't care, because they like the lies Trump tells.
Tom

 

[habiru]

Please list Trump's lies.

You and @esmith have both said you don't care about lies.
Trump said he would release his tax returns before the election. Then he said he would after the audit. And then after Obama proved he was eligible for office. Then after Hillary released private emails. But he never did.
This is not just a normal overly optimistic campaign promise for the future. Trump flat out lied in a very self serving way.
And his supporters don't care, because they like the lies Trump tells.
Tom

Well, that just prove that President Trump will not ever releases any top secret classified information over an unsecured server, like the way Hillary has done.
But at the moment, that the ones that Hillary and her groupies has been protecting. That they has killed an Russian's diplomat. And which that proves that Putin has hit ISIS real hard where it hurts, which most likely that it is their main post where their families and frriends are. And so now we has some of the members of ISIS that has came over into this country of ours by Obama..And now we cannot move around freely because of them. i believes that they should also attack Saudis because the Obama and Hillary has been protecting them as well. I'll bet if Russian's president Putin threathens the Saudis, that the Saudis will hand the whole gang of Isis and their leader to him on a silver platter with a coupon for a discount on their barrels of oil..

 

[columbus]

Well, that just prove that President Trump will not ever releases any top secret classified information over an unsecured server, like the way Hillary has done.

How does this prove that? Trump encouraged the Russians to hack sensitive information and broadcast it. Why wouldn't he help if they wanted him to help?
Tom

 

[habiru]

How does this prove that? Trump encouraged the Russians to hack sensitive information and broadcast it. Why wouldn't he help if they wanted him to help?
Tom

Try getting his tax returns.

 

[columbus]

Try getting his tax returns.

Why? I already believe that Trump is an incompetent playboy with money, beholden to the USA worst enemy. I don't need his tax returns to provide yet more evidence.
His supporters could use them to refute my beliefs. But they don't care enough.
Tom

 

[habiru]

They has welcomed the Refugees, thinking that they will live in peace and harmony. But one thing that I do know is that Muslims do not like Christmas as the way they do not like anyone posting pictures Mohammed in a string bikini. The Obama immigration plans has welcomed Syrian's Refugees so that the federal taxes will be use to beef up security. Now i know that a lot of security companies will be making a lot of money and Homeland security are going to get their funds for the next fiscal year. They know that ISIS is going to be infiltrating into other countries through the quick immigration process.

I'll bet Obama and Hillary is laughing their heart from out of his chest right now, while watching these reports

Why Germany Welcomes Refugees Why Germany Welcomes Refugees

How the US plans to welcome 10,000 Syrian refugees How the US plans to welcome 10,000 Syrian refugees

 

[Revoltingest]

You and @esmith have both said you don't care about lies.
Trump said he would release his tax returns before the election. Then he said he would after the audit. And then after Obama proved he was eligible for office. Then after Hillary released private emails. But he never did.
This is not just a normal overly optimistic campaign promise for the future. Trump flat out lied in a very self serving way.
And his supporters don't care, because they like the lies Trump tells.
Tom

I should be clearer....
There are different kinds of caring.
I care that a pol lies to me.....I don't like it.
But it isn't something which drives my vote.
So I don't care much about it.....it doesn't affect my vote.
I care far more about what a pol would effect in office.
Does the candidate favor war or peace?
Big or small government?
Tax increases or reductions....what kind?

Let's say Hilda is slightly more truthful than Donald.
(Yes, that's possible....but treat it as a hypothetical.)
I'd prefer the greater liar if it means a greater likelihood of peace, prosperity & personal liberty.

Think of it as "Revoltingest's cat"....I might care or not care.
You must open the box to look at the circumstances.

To anyone confused by this last stuff, ask a physics nerd.

 

[Sonofason]

I really don't care if he ever releases his tax returns, it isn't a big thing as far as I'm concerned.
The end of the world has not ended, there is plenty of time, I hope, left for him to do so. I don't think he put an exact date on the matter did he?

There is no law requiring Trump to release his tax returns for you to see. There is a law about keeping top secret documents on unsecured servers.

 

[Sonofason]

Well, that just prove that President Trump will not ever releases any top secret classified information over an unsecured server, like the way Hillary has done.
But at the moment, that the ones that Hillary and her groupies has been protecting. That they has killed an Russian's diplomat. And which that proves that Putin has hit ISIS real hard where it hurts, which most likely that it is their main post where their families and frriends are. And so now we has some of the members of ISIS that has came over into this country of ours by Obama..And now we cannot move around freely because of them. i believes that they should also attack Saudis because the Obama and Hillary has been protecting them as well. I'll bet if Russian's president Putin threathens the Saudis, that the Saudis will hand the whole gang of Isis and their leader to him on a silver platter with a coupon for a discount on their barrels of oil..

My question is, just a few days ago, Obama threatened Putin..."there are things we can do to you too"
And today Russia's Ambassador to Turkey is dead...Is this not suspicious?

 

[Revoltingest]

My question is, just a few days ago, Obama threatened Putin..."there are things we can do to you too"
And today Russia's Ambassador to Turkey is dead...Is this not suspicious?

I don't think it's suspicious at all.
But Obama's threat created a climate wherein such an event can look like retaliation.
In a sense, Obama might've become a political boon to Putin...if he chooses to use this.

 

[columbus]

There is no law requiring Trump to release his tax returns for you to see.

No, there is no such law.
But there is a reason he promised to release them. And, more importantly, a reason he was lying when he did promise. He was hiding something and we will probably never know what. But we do know that he will lie when it is convenient to do so.
Tom

 

[Sonofason]

No, there is no such law.
But there is a reason he promised to release them. And, more importantly, a reason he was lying when he did promise. He was hiding something and we will probably never know what. But we do know that he will lie when it is convenient to do so.
Tom

So basically, Trump is saying, I'll give you damn liberals my tax statements when I damn well feel like it...I don't blame him considering how unfairly you all have mistreated him.

 

[habiru]

My question is, just a few days ago, Obama threatened Putin..."there are things we can do to you too"
And today Russia's Ambassador to Turkey is dead...Is this not suspicious?

May I ask what things that you can do to me?

 

[Sonofason]

May I ask what things that you can do to me?

Of course you can.

 

[habiru]

Of course you can.

 

[esmith]

No, there is no such law.
But there is a reason he promised to release them. And, more importantly, a reason he was lying when he did promise. He was hiding something and we will probably never know what. But we do know that he will lie when it is convenient to do so.
Tom

So you have a problem with President-elect Trump not reveling his tax returns but I hear little from you about your darling Hillary not turning over all the emails that were on her private server. Yeah I know your tired of hearing about the emails, well how about I'm tired of hearing about the tax information.
So tell you what I will not mention the missing emails that Hillary said she would turn over if you stop mentioning the tax information. Deal?

 

[idav]

So you have a problem with President-elect Trump not reveling his tax returns but I hear little from you about your darling Hillary not turning over all the emails that were on her private server. Yeah I know your tired of hearing about the emails, well how about I'm tired of hearing about the tax information.
So tell you what I will not mention the missing emails that Hillary said she would turn over if you stop mentioning the tax information. Deal?

Hillary released her tax returns and Trump can go ahead and turn over his deleted emails. Warrants and subpoenas and year long investigations not enough? Apparently not they need Wikileaks and still isn't enough. Frankly we know more than we ever wanted about Hillary and little about the actual president elect, his tax returns are more an issue now that he actually was elected.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hillary released her tax returns and Trump can go ahead and turn over his deleted emails. Warrants and subpoenas and year long investigations not enough? Apparently not they need Wikileaks and still isn't enough. Frankly we know more than we ever wanted about Hillary and little about the actual president elect, his tax returns are more an issue now that he actually was elected.

What would you learn from them?

 

[tytlyf]

Let's not forget that the Repussians hacked Hillary's wall street transcripts and RW media completely spun that too. Scaring people, dividing the country, etc. Unfortunately, people vote based on fear. Which is why "panic mongering' is the #1 propaganda technique used by RW media. They all do it.

Trump said he'd release his tax returns before the election, then he said he'd do it if Hillary released the transcripts. We are still waiting.

Trump doesn't want to release them because he is hiding something he doesn't want the world to see. It's normal for presidents to release returns, for a person to go against that grain is a red flag.

They all do it, can you spot the panic mongering in the video below?