ninerbuff
godless wonder
Don't know why christians call this a free gift. The gift comes with a condition. The condition is to submit and believe. If there is a condition, it's NOT free.
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Walkntune
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What you call submitting is really letting go of that which causes suffering.. It is humans conscious control that causes alot of resistance and suffering in life and even if you submitted this control without the benefits of drawing a better life for yourself it is still no way a sacrifice but a blessing. Pain and suffering only lasts as long as we choose to hold on to it.Let go and the healing begins.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
I'm pretty sure blind obedience to the rigid, irrational and arbitrary rules of religion has caused far more pain and suffering than liberty and critical thought ever has.
Walkntune
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I could not agree more.Thats why you should not walk in religious rules and laws and surrender the egoic conscious ego and walk in love.
Like Ymirgf stated there is no box unless you create one consciously by holding on to thoughts.
What does that even mean?
The point of the thread is to show the shortcomings of faith.
Why believe the box does what is claimed and invest so much in it?
Why believe gods exist and invest so much in it?
For those who were sincere that they'd buy the box, frighteningly none.
Walkntune
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Fear causes us to hold on consciously to that which we fear and faith is nothing more than letting go of that which we hold on to consciously.
It is only conscious thoughts that keep us blind and when you continuously release that which you hold on to consciously you become aware of eneryones different version of God whether you want to or not.
God will never be found in your conscious thoughts.
That... doesn't appear to have any cognitive meaning. No offense. That doesn't explain anything.
So believing in something blindly is "letting go of that which we hold on to consciously?"
Do you believe everything you hear so as to avoid holding onto anything consciously?
You should send me $500, I'll give you my paypal account information. It's important that you do so.
Did you believe that last sentence? If not, why not?
Sorry, but you're not really justifying faith in any meaningful way... you're stringing together words that mean something individually but you're not really saying anything meaningful. Can you try rephrasing maybe?
It made sense to me.
...n't faith.
What is faith then? Are you saying that theists have justification for belief in gods? If so, what is it?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
How does the superstition of primitive goat herders aid in that?
Again, this is cognitively empty... it doesn't impart any meaning. It's vague and doesn't address the implied question of the original post of why people believe in gods.
Belief = "the mental conviction of the truth, actuality or validity of something." Although the word is often abused, one doesn't have genuine belief without justification.
Faith is belief in something the actuality of which is not yet demonstrated.
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
Do you see what he's saying here saying here
He's saying stop thinking.
He's saying stop inquiring.
He's saying reject intellect and cognizance for belief.
Of course his words are cognitively empty, there's no cognition to fill them up.
All you get is these empty platitudes that only seems "wise" to those who have already surrendered their intellect to belief.
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He posted this one after i finished posting so i thought i'd throw it in
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Walkntune
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Well many people come to the end of themselves and realise conscious control is all an illusion.Some may have a "now I see moment" on their death bed as an overwhelming sense of peace comes on them.There are many reasons people let go and let God.Like I said you will not understand cognitively because it is the thought process that blinds us and makes us want to be in control and understand.
Interesting how we can hold on to or let go of thoughts and feelings.
Walkntune
Well-Known Member
Try to understand it more like this.
When you have a conscious thought like where is my car keys, sometimes the awareness becomes blind and you can't see the keys even when they are in front of your face.When you release consciously the awareness opens up and suddenly the keys appear. All conscious thought blinds the awareness to one degree or another.
Reality is discovered through awareness and not conscious intellect.
Trying to get someone to see God in there intellect is like the person in a panic seeing his keys. You have to first let go in order for awareness to open.Whatever box you create consciously, you can only see from within that box until you let go. Its better to learn not to have a box.
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The Neo Nerd
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I can prove my car keys exist. I've seen my car keys, i've used my car keys, i can show you my car. You've never seen god, you've never felt god in your hands. So your argument is stupid.
Agreed. Because reality is based on perception and perception is not based in fact or intellect.
The thing is you are asking us to remove fact and intellect in search of something that cannot be verified without fact and intellect.
So basically you are saying stop thinking and pretend really really hard that god exists until you believe that he does and don't apply fact or intellect to this belief in god otherwise it will disappear.
A truly stupid argument.
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