Would you convert?

[zombieharlot]

I dont really like the idea of heaven and hell or an afterlife. If there is one, then I'll probably be going to the latter of the two

See you there!

 

[SPLogan]

Wow, pretty harsh and ignorant statement.

Would you like to explain yourself, or are you always this rude?

I was basically saying that I would be quite reluctant to accept the experience as reality.
The possibility of it being an LSD trip, forced upon me, might be more believable to me. Under the assumption that I am being deceived by a powerful force, I would attribute the source of the experience to Satan.
That is why I used the word "satanic" in my last post. I was just searching myself for an honest response. That's what I came up with.

Am I ignorant? Yes, more than I'm willing to admit.
Sometimes I am rude when I'm honest but I feel like I owe people honesty, even at the risk of exposing my sinful pride.

 

[Bishka]

I was basically saying that I would be quite reluctant to accept the experience as reality.
The possibility of it being an LSD trip, forced upon me, might be more believable to me. Under the assumption that I am being deceived by a powerful force, I would attribute the source of the experience to Satan.
That is why I used the word "satanic" in my last post. I was just searching myself for an honest response. That's what I came up with.

Am I ignorant? Yes, more than I'm willing to admit.
Sometimes I am rude when I'm honest but I feel like I owe people honesty, even at the risk of exposing my sinful pride.

So your death would be a forced drug-induced experience by Satan?
So there is absolutley no possiblity that we could be right?

 

[Revasser]

I'd probably re-examine my tickets see if I got on the wrong train at Death Station, then look around at the tracks for the train to take me wherever the heck I was meant to be going.

To be honest, I'm not sure how good the responses to this question are going to be, Kat. I know that this wasn't your intention, but in the "real world" and even on the web outside of RF, conversations that begin with "Just imagine for a moment that we are right...." all too often end at "Well, we are right, you know. You should convert!" and I think that may have something to do with the "stubbornness" in this case.

 

[Mathematician]

Wouldn't it be a little too late to convert?

 

[MaddLlama]

If all I had were people to go by, like I do now, then I wouldn't convert. What I believe is right for me, and I wouldn't make a complete turn around like that for any reason short of Jesus standing before me and talking to me.

Stubborn? Probably. But, this "prison" for the wicked doesn't sound like the hell for people who don't believe a particular religion so I'm not completely worried.

And, I would have chosen that poll option if I could change my vote, but I can't.

 

[MaddLlama]

See you there!

At least we'll all have plenty of company.

 

[Katzpur]

Wouldn't it be a little too late to convert?

No, it wouldn't. But I've got to leave for work now, so I'm afraid I don't have time to explain.

 

[Katzpur]

IMHO, I don't think that it is a matter of being stubborn. I think it a matter of how the question is being read.

To be honest, I had to read through your first post a few times to make sure that I understood it correctly. I think people are, for the most part, over looking the main point of your question.

What I was seeing at first was - Would you convert? rather than -Would you convert if you found out that the beliefs of the LDSs were true after you died?

Well, yes, that's what I was getting at. We've explained on numerous occasions (many of them very recently) what we believe it's going to be like for us all immediately after we die. My question was essentially this: If you died and found that your situation was exactly as the LDS had said it would be, would that be enough to make you stop and think, "Hmmm. Maybe there really was something to what they were saying. If they were right about what's happening to me now, maybe they're really onto something about what's going to happen next. It might not be such a dumb idea to reconsider my beliefs." The fact that most people are saying, "No, even with that much evidence that the LDS knew what they were talking about, I'm still not going to budge," surprises me. I think of myself as pretty firm in my own convictions, but if I were to die and find myself in a state entirely unlike the one I believe I'd find myself in, I'd absolutely jump at the chance to reconsider my options.

 

[pandamonk]

Well, yes, that's what I was getting at. We've explained on numerous occasions (many of them very recently) what we believe it's going to be like for us all immediately after we die. My question was essentially this: If you died and found that your situation was exactly as the LDS had said it would be, would that be enough to make you stop and think, "Hmmm. Maybe there really was something to what they were saying. If they were right about what's happening to me now, maybe they're really onto something about what's going to happen next. It might not be such a dumb idea to reconsider my beliefs." The fact that most people are saying, "No, even with that much evidence that the LDS knew what they were talking about, I'm still not going to budge," surprises me. I think of myself as pretty firm in my own convictions, but if I were to die and find myself in a state entirely unlike the one I believe I'd find myself in, I'd absolutely jump at the chance to reconsider my options.

It surprizes me too katzpur. I certainly would convert.

 

[SoyLeche]

Well, yes, that's what I was getting at. We've explained on numerous occasions (many of them very recently) what we believe it's going to be like for us all immediately after we die. My question was essentially this: If you died and found that your situation was exactly as the LDS had said it would be, would that be enough to make you stop and think, "Hmmm. Maybe there really was something to what they were saying. If they were right about what's happening to me now, maybe they're really onto something about what's going to happen next. It might not be such a dumb idea to reconsider my beliefs." The fact that most people are saying, "No, even with that much evidence that the LDS knew what they were talking about, I'm still not going to budge," surprises me. I think of myself as pretty firm in my own convictions, but if I were to die and find myself in a state entirely unlike the one I believe I'd find myself in, I'd absolutely jump at the chance to reconsider my options.

I've been trying to think of other situations like this. Here is what I have come up with.

I will soon be living in Lynchburg VA. If suddenly one day the large majority of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University students suddenly disappear - I'd quickly rethink my belief that the Rapture isn't going to happen.

 

[KSojourner]

I've been trying to think of other situations like this. Here is what I have come up with.

I will soon be living in Lynchburg VA. If suddenly one day the large majority of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University students suddenly disappear - I'd quickly rethink my belief that the Rapture isn't going to happen.

Unlike the situation that is being discussed (where you would be able to change your position), ins't it true that you would not be able to change your position because it had already happened? I thought the Rapture was a one time deal only type of thing.

 

[SoyLeche]

Unlike the situation that is being discussed (where you would be able to change your position), ins't it true that you would not be able to change your position because it had already happened? I thought the Rapture was a one time deal only type of thing.

I couldn't be raptured at that point, but I'd question my beliefs - that's the point I was trying to get at.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Several threads lately have addressed the LDS belief in a Spirit World where the spirits of all mankind go after death and remain until the time of the resurrection and Final Judgment. As has been explained, we believe that for the righteous, life in the Spirit World will be "Paradise." For with wicked, it will be "Prison." But for all, there will be the opportunity to continue to learn and grow spiritually. Although Jesus Christ will not be there personally, His Gospel (LDS-version) will be being taught to everyone who will listen. (Darn, those pesky missionaries just don't know when to quit! ). But the good news is, it's not too late to accept their message after all! In short, everything is exactly the way the LDS people you knew here on earth said it would be, down to the last detail. What would your reaction be?

I'm assuming in this hypothetical situation that I am dead. First, I would be thankful that I was not in Augustine's or Dante's hell.

I'd be glad to be redeemed no matter what the process.

If the afterlife is all LDS said it would be, I would hope for an oppotunity to marry in the afterlife: that would be full redemption.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I've been trying to think of other situations like this. Here is what I have come up with.

I will soon be living in Lynchburg VA. If suddenly one day the large majority of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University students suddenly disappear - I'd quickly rethink my belief that the Rapture isn't going to happen.

It could be God's judgment and not the rapture.

I have a bottle of scotch waiting around to celebrate the riddance of conservative fundie wackos from this earth. We'd be better off without 'em.

 

[SoyLeche]

It could be God's judgment and not the rapture.

If

Probably more likely

 

[Ezzedean]

I wouldn't convert because I don't follow my practice because I think it's the one and only right and true path. I follow it because it's right for me. Converting simply because something was proven right over something else would not be being true to myself and so I would be converting to a religion I didn't wholeheartedly agree with and I don't think that's any way to practice faith

I think you're crazy. If I were to die and find out the LDS way was the true way, and God made that clear to me, then of course I would convert... and you'd be an idiot not to. What you believe is right for you, if you find out that it wasn't God's way, than it wasn't right for you.. there will have been something wrong with what you were believing and it would have been stopping you from being the person you are meant to be. Now I must ask all of you, if you found out that the Religion of Islam was the true religion and Muhammed was constantly reciting Quran for you to hear and learn, would you listen?

 

[pandamonk]

It could be God's judgment and not the rapture.

I have a bottle of scotch waiting around to celebrate the riddance of conservative fundie wackos from this earth. We'd be better off without 'em.

Are you saying you keep a bottle of scotch to celebrate someones death?

What kind?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Are you saying you keep a bottle of scotch to celebrate someones death?

What kind?

Not death, rapture - violentless disappearance. :angel2:

Saint Magdalene 1979

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I would always accept God on His own terms.
It would not be a matter of "Converting"
There is no chance at all that "any of us" will have all our
beliefs and understandings 100% right.