Would you sue a transgender person for using the bathroom?

[Revoltingest]

There are many,many suits that have merit, despite ultimately not prevailing. Methinks your personal bias rules your lack of objectivity in this arena.

Pbbbttttt! It's guys like you....apologists for the dysfunctional
status quo....who inspired me to vote for a bozo like Trump.
The corrupt machine needs a wrench thrown into its works.
Perhaps rebuilding a broken system will be better.
Or perhaps things will get worse....but at least it would feel like revenge.

 

[Curious George]

Pbbbttttt! It's guys like you....apologists for the dysfunctional
status quo....who inspired me to vote for a bozo like Trump.
The corrupt machine needs a wrench thrown into its works.
Perhaps rebuilding a broken system will be better.
Or perhaps things will get worse....but at least it would feel like revenge.

My friend, I think that attitude, whether in jest or with sincerity, sums up the opinion of far too many.

The simple truth is that there are reasons built on reasons for what we have. That you feel triggered and sleighted, as a noble landlord, by perceived social injustice of the "litigious tenant," matters little to the big picture. Unfortunately, the legal system is not just about you.

Life is a struggle, and frustration will obviously abound when one's freedom rubs against another's. There is substantial case law on awarding attorney fees. If you truly wish to understand you will digest at least a healthy portion of that before damning the whole system.

Unfortunately, too many of us want to ignore the logic and reasoning of others because we are frustrated.

 

[Revoltingest]

My friend, I think that attitude, whether in jest or with sincerity, sums up the opinion of far too many.

You can't tell?
Booowhahahahahahahhahaha, etc!

The simple truth is that there are reasons built on reasons for what we have.

Vapidity alert!
When there was slavery, there were reasons.
When there was Jim Crow, there were reasons.

See what I did?
I just illustrated why it's more useful to discuss the reasons, than to merely claim there are some.

That you feel triggered and sleighted, as a noble landlord, by perceived social injustice of the "litigious tenant," matters little to the big picture. Unfortunately, the legal system is not just about you.

How small you think....that only landlords experience this. It affects doctors, manufacturers, retailers,
homeowners, trust beneficiaries, parents, etc.
Some day, when you graduate from community college with that associates degree in victimization
studies, & earn a little nest egg by supersizing the orders of telephone sanitizing executives, you
might discover what it is to be a target for malcontents, professional suers & their lawyers.

Life is a struggle, and frustration will obviously abound when one's freedom rubs against another's. There is substantial case law on awarding attorney fees. If you truly wish to understand you will digest at least a healthy portion of that before damning the whole system.

Case law is written by lawyers.
You might as well argue that hen house security should be designed by foxes.
Justice should be about more than lining the pockets of lawyers & their minions.

Unfortunately, too many of us want to ignore the logic and reasoning of others because we are frustrated.

I'm impressed with your confession here.

 

[Curious George]

You can't tell?
Booowhahahahahahahhahaha, etc!

Vapidity alert!
When there was slavery, there were reasons.
When there was Jim Crow, there were reasons.

See what I did?
I just illustrated why it's more useful to discuss the reasons, than to merely claim there are some.

How small you think....that only landlords experience this. It affects doctors, manufacturers, retailers,
homeowners, trust beneficiaries, parents, etc.
Some day, when you graduate from community college with that associates degree in victimization
studies, & earn a little nest egg by supersizing the orders of telephone sanitizing executives, you
might discover what it is to be a target for malcontents, professional suers & their lawyers.

Case law is written by lawyers.
You might as well argue that hen house security should be designed by foxes.
Justice should be about more than lining the pockets of lawyers & their minions.

I'm impressed with your confession here.

The reasons are there, and I am happy to discuss the actual reasoningredients when you are ready.

Though others may whine as well, your focus is on that of the unfairness in the landlord tenant arena.

It's much worse than you think, I already have graduated.

Case law is argued by lawyers not written for lawyers.

 

[Revoltingest]

The reasons are there, and I am happy to discuss the actual reasoningredients when you are ready.

I've already elaborated upon my proposal.
(Although I might later expand upon it.)

Though others may whine as well, your focus is on that of the unfairness in the landlord tenant arena.

I've clearly stated that it's far far broader than that.
But I wonder why you object to any focus upon landlord tenant justice in the courts?
Do you make your living by exploiting fighting between them?

It's much worse than you think, I already have graduated.

Congrats!
Here....take your pick....

Case law is argued by lawyers not written for lawyers.

Too bad they work for themselves, instead of for the populace in general.

 

[Curious George]

I've already elaborated upon my proposal.
(Although I might later expand upon it.)

I've clearly stated that it's far far broader than that.
But I wonder why you object to any focus upon landlord tenant justice in the courts?
Do you make your living by exploiting fighting between them?

Congrats!
Here....take your pick....

Too bad they work for themselves, instead of for the populace in general.

I'm not a fan of pomp and circumstance. But thank you anyway.

No, I don't make my current living "exploiting" the fighting between them. Though I have, in the past, been unfortunate enough to hear both sides complain incessantly. While generally both have horror stories, the tenants get the short side of the stick most often.

If you feel you are ready, I will start a thread and tag you later.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm not a fan of pomp and circumstance. But thank you anyway.

No, I don't make my current living "exploiting" the fighting between them. Though I have, in the past, been unfortunate enough to hear both sides complain incessantly. While generally both have horror stories, the tenants get the short side of the stick most often.

If you feel you are ready, I will start a thread and tag you later.

The advantage here is for the tenants (residential only... not commercial ones).
But that isn't really big a problem (except when trying to get possession). The system itself is awful.
What would I want to be ready for?
Should I warm up & stretch?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There are many,many suits that have merit, despite ultimately not prevailing. Methinks your personal bias rules your lack of objectivity in this arena.

Personally, I think we need at least three judges (and probably no more) to hear and decide a case.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Virgina Republican Bob Marshall has proposed a new bill HB 1612 that is much like the N.Carolina bill HB 2. The proposed Virginian bill would make it illegal for any person to use a bathroom that does not correlate to the gender listed on their birth certificate. But the bill also specifically allows you to sue any individual who does so.

I find this typical of Republicans, delicate little flower who want to sue over the potential of having their delicate little feelings hurt by the mere encounter with anyone that is in anyway different. I find it difficult to express just how disgusting I think this is.

https://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?171+ful+HB1612

Hee hee! Well, Americans are pretty darned litigious, and will sue over just about anything. I live in quite a liberal country (Canada) so we spread money around without quite so much use of the courts, but....

Still, you really only get one birth certificate, so I have to ask how that would work for the transgender individual who actually did go the entire route of surgical gender reassignment (and there have been a bunch, you know). So, here we've got Sally (birth certificate Saul), with breasts, a lovely vagina, a nicely-sculpted but probably ineffective clitoris -- and she's gotta use the boys?

 

[fantome profane]

I live in quite a liberal country (Canada)

me 2

 

[lostwanderingsoul]

I would not sue someone but anyone with a penis does not belong in a ladies restroom. The choices should be either cut it off or go to jail.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I would not sue someone but anyone with a penis does not belong in a ladies restroom. The choices should be either cut it off or go to jail.

Wow, what a disgusting post.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I would not sue someone but anyone with a penis does not belong in a ladies restroom. The choices should be either cut it off or go to jail.

There was a time in human history when we all knew what the others had, under their fig leaves, hidden by deer hide, or out in the open. We survived it without a huge amount of trauma. I wonder why it's so hard for us now? We get so fussed about trifles. I'd just love us to grow up a little, like those who lived simpler lives before us...

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Still, you really only get one birth certificate, so I have to ask how that would work for the transgender individual who actually did go the entire route of surgical gender reassignment (and there have been a bunch, you know). So, here we've got Sally (birth certificate Saul), with breasts, a lovely vagina, a nicely-sculpted but probably ineffective clitoris -- and she's gotta use the boys?

For Sally, with her what would actually be a fully functioning and sensitive clitoris, it would depend on the state. Some don't even track it, some are more relaxed and easier to change, some won't allow it at all.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

For Sally, with her what would actually be a fully functioning and sensitive clitoris, it would depend on the state. Some don't even track it, some are more relaxed and easier to change, some won't allow it at all.

Well, actually I think the clitoris is a much more involved, specialized organ than a mere surgeon (rather than DNA) could construct, no matter how much residual penile skin was retained.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, actually I think the clitoris is a much more involved, specialized organ than a mere surgeon (rather than DNA) could construct, no matter how much residual penile skin was retained.

You may think that, but anymore it's rare for someone who has had MtF genital surgery to not have a sensitive clitoris and outer vagina (pretty much like birth-assigned women), and even still have orgasms.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Really, in some ways you wonder if nudists don't actually have it right -- there are times when our body parts are just body parts, used for pretty mundane functions of life. Like peeing, for example. And then there are other times.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You may think that, but anymore it's rare for someone who has had MtF genital surgery to not have a sensitive clitoris and outer vagina (pretty much like birth-assigned women), and even still have orgasms.

I have, of course, no way of knowing. I've still got the original bits, and enjoy them as they are. In any case, I often think (especially as I age) that sexual experience -- including orgasm -- is as much party of the mind as it is the other sexual organs (and I claim the brain is the most important sexual organ of all, by the way.)

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I have, of course, no way of knowing.

There have been a number of studies, self-reports, and surgeons informing patients they can expect their genitals to be functioning, sensitive, and orgasmic. You don't have to go through with it to read up a bit on something.

 

[columbus]

Really, in some ways you wonder if nudists don't actually have it right -- there are times when our body parts are just body parts, used for pretty mundane functions of life. Like peeing, for example. And then there are other times.

This is exactly the point.
If someone is causing a problem in a public place, especially a place like a small room, they should be dealt with immediately. If not, leave everyone alone.
It just doesn't matter if you're an innie or an outie if you aren't causing a problem.
Tom