you are racist!!

[Laika]

I agree with you.

If I was approached in the same thoughtful, honest way the my response would be different. If able-bodied and able-minded people would just admit that yes, they have different opinions of disabled people, then my response would be much better.
I have shown in the past that I am open to an honest, open approach. I really am. But what often happens is they get in group think and don't answer for themselves. They already know a response to me and they don't have to think real hard about there response. Let me give you an example of what am spaking about,
No matter how you search on television, people with disabilities aren't on it. On the other hand, they put us on to "inspire" you. Now, it may seem to be a good thing to do. But what is the real reason were on ? Isn't it to make you feel better about yourselves, that you don't have to deal with that disability ? Isn't it so you can say "Whew! I got it hard, but I don't have it as hard as that poor devil mr. X does " ?
That is an example. I think most people with disabilities have gotten use to there disability. I know a blind guy. Guess what ? He's used to it.. He doesn't complain, just as I don't complain about many of my disabilities. Why ? Because I am used to it.
The thing we complain about is long term problems. An example is the lack of jobs. Or the fact that mentally ill people are put in prisons, not mental hospitals. It's the social aspect of it, not the fact of our disabilities. Were used to it. But that's the thing.
Try something for me. Instead of blocking what I am saying out, LISTEN. HEAR ME. Because the opposite does not create peace, which I am dedicated to, but creates misunderstanding, anger, mistrust, e.t.c . Listen to what I say and SEE if it's TRUE. Yes, you're not stupid, but I know a Hell of a lot more than you do because I have had to deal with this my whole life. You haven't. Then IF it is TRUE, what are you going to do about it ?
See, plenty of people said there going to do something about it. But plenty of people have done NOTHING about it. So I figure that it amounts to a couple solutions: 1) They will not do anything about it, 2) They can't do anything about it, 3) They are hoping we'll believe them and lay off them and 5) There trying to buy themselves time.
Anyways, this is the main thing BE HONEST AND OPEN. I AM WITH YOU COME WHAT MAY. SO WHY NOT BE WITH ME ? THAT IS ALL I AM ASKING FOR.

Denial is easier. it is hard to change ones point of view. And yet, I know that is almost making an excuse. what makes it so hard is the emotional dimension to discrimination and how closely notions of inferiority and superiority are connected with the sense of self. In the case of racism, the notion of white europeans as superior feeds into a sense of being special because it was whites who made the great "achievements" in science, art and culture. it was also whites who wrote the history and spent many centuries eradicating other peoples and races and destroying their achievements.
I know only a little about disability; the "social model of disability" in which a person suffers an impairment, but the disability is due to the discrimination of society. the fault of disability is in the capitalist position of placing sole burden for the disability on the individual as a worker, and therefore blaming them for having the disability so they have to be "cured". the 'medicalisation' of disability as an illness is responsible for ill treatment. As a suffer of depression, I have accepted some anti-psycharitry views in which psycharitry is a mechanism of social control and conformity. The idea that pills will solve everything is very much part of the discrimination against the mentally "ill", when mental "illness" is far more complex and many-sided as it affects personality and individuality as well.

No matter how you search on television, people with disabilities aren't on it.

Well spotted. I haven't thought of that. What I did realise is that many actors and actresses are also in the modelling industry, so it's very rare to find someone on TV who is "fat" or less than representative of our societies standards of beauty and attractiveness. it says alot about what we value (or are expected to value) in a person when people themselves are commodities for sale to boost ratings. [edit: they generally re-inforce and perptuate racist/sexist sterotypes too.]

 

[Paranoid Android]

Denial is easier. it is hard to change ones point of view. And yet, I know that is almost making an excuse. what makes it so hard is the emotional dimension to discrimination and how closely notions of inferiority and superiority are connected with the sense of self. In the case of racism, the notion of white europeans as superior feeds into a sense of being special because it was whites who made the great "achievements" in science, art and culture. it was also whites who wrote the history and spent many centuries eradicating other peoples and races and destroying their achievements.
I know only a little about disability; the "social model of disability" in which a person suffers an impairment, but the disability is due to the discrimination of society. the fault of disability is in the capitalist position of placing sole burden for the disability on the individual as a worker, and therefore blaming them for having the disability so they have to be "cured". the 'medicalisation' of disability as an illness is responsible for ill treatment. As a suffer of depression, I have accepted some anti-psycharitry views in which psycharitry is a mechanism of social control and conformity. The idea that pills will solve everything is very much part of the discrimination against the mentally "ill", when mental "illness" is far more complex and many-sided as it affects personality and individuality as well.

No matter how you search on television, people with disabilities aren't on it.

Well spotted. I haven't thought of that. What I did realise is that many actors and actresses are also in the modelling industry, so it's very rare to find someone on TV who is "fat" or less than representative of our societies standards of beauty and attractiveness. it says alot about what we value (or are expected to value) in a person when people themselves are commodities for sale to boost ratings. [edit: they generally re-inforce and perptuate racist/sexist sterotypes too.]

Too true. But able bodied and able minded people never notice. They take it for granted that they should be seen and ONLY SEEN on t.v. Why can't we be seen as beautiful and yes, desireable ? It is one of the things I find odd about watching t.v . You would never guess we are the biggest minority group on earth or that we even exist.

 

[Laika]

Too true. But able bodied and able minded people never notice. They take it for granted that they should be seen and ONLY SEEN on t.v. Why can't we be seen as beautiful and yes, desireable ? It is one of the things I find odd about watching t.v . You would never guess we are the biggest minority group on earth or that we even exist.

it is weird. most people about 3 to 4 hours watching TV a day and so that has become a major part of our reality. what's more TV induces a state of suggestability which means it has an emotional effect disproporionate to the amount we watch. I honestly wonder if my negative sterotypes of black men come from that. TV has unquestionably fed public fears over muslims and Islamophobia. But at the same time, it is just a medium; you could well say that disabled people would just as easily be left out of books. the mentally "ill" unquestionably get an unfavourable portrayal on TV as universally violent, when this is not the case in reality, even in more extreme conditions like psychopathy and schizophrenia.

 

[Paranoid Android]

it is weird. most people about 3 to 4 hours watching TV a day and so that has become a major part of our reality. what's more TV induces a state of suggestability which means it has an emotional effect disproporionate to the amount we watch. I honestly wonder if my negative sterotypes of black men come from that. TV has unquestionably fed public fears over muslims and Islamophobia. But at the same time, it is just a medium; you could well say that disabled people would just as easily be left out of books. the mentally "ill" unquestionably get an unfavourable portrayal on TV as universally violent, when this is not the case in reality, even in more extreme conditions like psychopathy and schizophrenia.

Yeah..shhh..don't tell them but THEY, the Squares, are much more violent then us.

 

[Laika]

Yeah..shhh..don't tell them but THEY, the Squares, are much more violent then us.

"normal" people suffer from a pathological dellusion of their own sanity. at least I know I'm crazy.

 

[MARCELLO]

I'm white and proud of it, if someone isn't proud of their colour, then that's their problem,

I used to spend in solarium centers for hours just to look bronze when I was younger ,does it mean I am not proud of it? Though there is no reason neither to be proud nor be ashamed of it.

 

[Yerda]

I used to spend in solarium centers for hours just to look bronze when I was younger ,does it mean I am not proud of it? Though there is no reason neither to be proud nor be ashamed of it.

I agree. It's just skin.

 

[Augustus]

The two aren't equivalent, because they exist within a wider cultural and historical context.

This is the key.

A racial insult against a person who has never been subject to racial discrimination can easily be laughed off, it is only words.

A racial insult against a person who has been subject to racial discrimination is a reinforcement and reminder of tangible discrimination.

It isn't the same, and this isn't simply because minorities are 'oversensitive'.

 

[Theweirdtophat]

All this talk about white and black, and the asians are just standing in the corner.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Life isn't fair. Some people get on with the business of making their own fairness, others find complaining and blaming more to their taste. Different strokes and all.

 

[Nakosis]

Just treat folks according to how they behave instead of some stereotype that your mind creates for you.

Subconsciously the mind creates the stereotype and people let that influence their thinking. I tend to see the subconscious mind as the enemy of reason. Maybe that's silly but I've came to distrust and question the validity of these thoughts that creep onto my conscious thought. They are there but I just ignore them as I don't consciously initiate or control them. Can't blame yourself for thoughts you have no control over.

In actuality it's not really that difficult to treat people according to how they treat you. Skin color, religion, gender become pretty irrelevant if you just focus on their behavior.

 

[MARCELLO]

As a White man, I've only recently started to think about the subject of race (after watching the Boondocks). I've come to realise that that is a reflection of my white privallage that for me racism has been largely invisible in the course of my life and that I have believed that legal equality is the same as equal treatment. it isn't. Much to my surprise and disgust, I hold negative sterotypes of black people (black men especially) as violent and criminal without ever consciously being a racist. it's a hard thing to admit because you want to tell yourself you are not part of the problem and it jars with the idealised sense of self as being "just". But it is actually that sense of "justice" that is part of racism as it is the "white man's burden" to "right the wrongs" and make the world in his image. The notion of "white guilt" is a tricky one because it is unconscious, but the insecurity and sense of victimhood by white people comes from the sense that we are pure and unbellemished and without sin. all attacks upon us therefore are percieved to be unjustified, but really that is a form of narcassistic rage so long as we are unable to confront the realities of what the ruling class did and continue to identify with them on the basis of sharing a white, european identity. Whites have got alot of growing up to do as we are part of the problem, but we can also be part of the solution too.

pls no

 

[MARCELLO]

I've heard it quite abit from both groups.

Actually, I doubt either one would be arrested. The police would most likely order the person, regardless of color, to stop doing what they are doing, move along, or whatever, but there is nothing that defines saying "black/white people are useless as a crime. As for Muslims, you are being willfully ignorant if you think there is anything that prevents people from treating them poorly - as a matter of fact, very recently, there was yet another attack on the Sihk community because some idiot confused them for Muslims.

Are you sure? Don't you ever think we are only doing better than them since we are only white? Personally I always do.

 

[MARCELLO]

How often have you heard a black person throw the race card?
How often have you heard a white person throw the race card?

Basically, why is it acceptable for a black person to be racist and not acceptable for a white person to be racist? Surely if a black person stood in the street infront of a bunch of police and shouted "white trash, white people are useless" i very VERY very highly doubt he will be arrested yet a white person who does the same would be arrested, same applies to Muslims shouting out western hatred yet if a western person shouted out Muslim hated it's hate speach and your off to a prison cell! is this political incorrectness?

when talking about blacks and Muslims we are treated like we should be walking on egg shells around them.

Sure you have to ,in case you are a white who knows to cut the meat with the right knife;e.g you just don't strap it into target like you do for your enemy....

 

[suncowiam]

I think there are double standards with race and sex and age and, you name it.

One particular that stands out at me is the use of the N word. I find this hypocritical and simply don't understand why one race has priveledges to speak this while its very offensive for every other race?

Maybe someone can explain that here?

 

[Nada]

How often have you heard a black person throw the race card?
How often have you heard a white person throw the race card?

Basically, why is it acceptable for a black person to be racist and not acceptable for a white person to be racist? Surely if a black person stood in the street infront of a bunch of police and shouted "white trash, white people are useless" i very VERY very highly doubt he will be arrested yet a white person who does the same would be arrested, same applies to Muslims shouting out western hatred yet if a western person shouted out Muslim hated it's hate speach and your off to a prison cell! is this political incorrectness?

when talking about blacks and Muslims we are treated like we should be walking on egg shells around them.

I totally understand.Just like there is a channel on cable called BET,which stands for Black Entertainment Television.If there were one called WET,or White Entertainment Television,it would be shut down so fast and called racist in a heartbeat.

Also,it is so true what you mentioned about Westerners not being able to speak their minds, and when it comes to something about a Muslim,oh no!,lets be quiet.This is true.I understand......

I wonder why?

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-told-these-brave-marines-to-stop-praying/

http://conservativetribune.com/pentagon-sent-muslim-imam/

 

[Augustus]

One particular that stands out at me is the use of the N word. I find this hypocritical and simply don't understand why one race has priveledges to speak this while its very offensive for every other race?

Language depends on context. It is not necessarily offensive if used by a non-black person in a certain context, with certain people who understand the intent of the usage.

The problem is that if a non-black person uses it in a way that can be completely abstracted from its context, then it has the potential to cause offence as it can be taken out of the specific context in which it was used. As such, they should be very careful about how they use such a word as they must accept that it may be taken the wrong way.

For a black person to use the term, there is much less possibility to believe that it was used as a racial insult, being that it is unlikely that someone would racially abuse themselves. Also, seeing as they are the target of the term when used abusively, they do gain a special privilege to redefine the term. If a word is a specific insult to your identity, people sharing that identity do gain certain rights of usage.

Language is offensive based on intent and context, any word that may be considered offensive can also be used in inoffensive ways. But you can't abstract words from a wider social context and try to claim it is 'unfair' if one group gains certain rights and privileges.

 

[suncowiam]

Language depends on context. It is not necessarily offensive if used by a non-black person in a certain context, with certain people who understand the intent of the usage.

The problem is that if a non-black person uses it in a way that can be completely abstracted from its context, then it has the potential to cause offence as it can be taken out of context. As such, they should be very careful about how they use such a word as they must accept that it may be taken the wrong way.

For a black person to use the term, there is much less possibility to believe that it was used as a racial insult, being that it is unlikely that someone would racially abuse themselves. Also, seeing as they are the target of the term when used abusively, they do gain a special privilege to redefine the term. If a word is a specific insult to your identity, people sharing that identity do gain certain rights of usage.

Language is offensive based on intent and context, any word that may be considered offensive can also be used in inoffensive ways. But you can't abstract words from a wider social context and try to claim it is 'unfair' if one group gains certain rights and privileges.

I still see an issue. How do we know that all blacks are using the correct context? Because I get the sense that rick blacks might use it negatively towards poor blacks. Then how do we know all whites are not using the offensive context? A white might have very good black friends but if he mistakenly said it to a group of unknown blacks, he would seriously get a whooping.

Such vague notions of context which are purely subjective will continue this double standard, IMO.

 

[Augustus]

I still see an issue. How do we know that all blacks are using the correct context? Because I get the sense that rick blacks might use it negatively towards poor blacks. Then how do we know all whites are not using the offensive context? A white might have very good black friends but if he mistakenly said it to a group of unknown blacks, he would seriously get a whooping.

Such vague notions of context which are purely subjective will continue this double standard, IMO.

Black people can indeed use the word in an offensive way .

I can use the words 'fascinating' or 'wonderful' in an offensive context also.

You have to be an adult and use your judgement. As a non-black person though, you have to accept that you are walking a very thin line by using the word n****. It is about intent and context. You should only use it in a situation in which you know that it will be interpreted the way you intend it. Any white person who said it to black person they didn't know very well, is an idiot, although not necessarily a racist.

There is no 'all whites' or 'all blacks', only individual contexts. People have brains, they need to use them.

 

[dust1n]

I wonder why?

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-told-these-brave-marines-to-stop-praying/

The first link claims that Obama told marines to stop praying, provides no source that that ever happened, and shows a picture of NOT MARINES praying.