you are racist!!

[Riverwolf]

I think there are double standards with race and sex and age and, you name it.

One particular that stands out at me is the use of the N word. I find this hypocritical and simply don't understand why one race has priveledges to speak this while its very offensive for every other race?

Maybe someone can explain that here?

When African-Americans use it among each other, it's largely (not exclusively) communicating a shared experience that they all have: racial prejudice because they're black.

When non-African-Americans, especially European-Americans, use it (except privately among close friends, with whom there is a clear "understanding"), it's perpetuating that same discrimination.

Just as before, this issue exists within the larger cultural and historical context.

Such vague notions of context which are purely subjective will continue this double standard, IMO.

Humans can only operate subjectively. There is no "one-size-fits-all" set of "objective" rules that can be easily and fairly applied to everybody, because all of human experience exists in a large, intricate web of subject-object relationships.

 

[dust1n]

I think there are double standards with race and sex and age and, you name it.

Same here. When are young, white, able-bodied males finally going to be judged fairly like everyone else in this country?

Jokes aside...

Yup double standards have always existed. Although, it helps to be aware of how double standards affect people who are just not ourselves... our else we might be employing a double standard.

 

[dust1n]

One particular that stands out at me is the use of the N word. I find this hypocritical and simply don't understand why one race has priveledges to speak this while its very offensive for every other race?

Really, though, that's the one particular example of double standard that sticks out to you? But the fact that black males are charged with crimes at higher rate than their white male counterparts for the same crime? That's not an example you are concerned about?

 

[Nada]

The first link claims that Obama told marines to stop praying, provides no source that that ever happened, and shows a picture of NOT MARINES praying.

Sorry to hear that.

I wonder if these are not Marines either?

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-told-these-brave-marines-to-stop-praying/

 

[dust1n]

Sorry to hear that.

I wonder if these are not Marines either?

I'm not contesting whether not Marines do or do not pray.

What I'm insinuating is that the link you referenced is almost certainly complete and utter fantasy.

 

[Nada]

I'm not contesting whether not Marines do or do not pray.

What I'm insinuating is that the link you referenced is almost certainly complete and utter fantasy.

Ok,thanks.

 

[dust1n]

Ok,thanks.

No problem.

 

[Nada]

No problem.

Cool

 

[suncowiam]

Really, though, that's the one particular example of double standard that sticks out to you? But the fact that black males are charged with crimes at higher rate than their white male counterparts for the same crime? That's not an example you are concerned about?

With all respect, but what is important to you is not the same to me. Yes, I consider this important among other things like racial profiling. Do I consider it the most. No, I don't. This isn't favoring one race over another. I actually agree with you very much on how minorities are treated concerning police.

I see equality as two-fold. And this is ideal as it gets.:
* Being treated exactly the same with no exceptions.
* Having the ability to do the same as others with no exceptions.

If there's an exception here, then I question if it really is equality.

What if a white man follows black culture then he expresses himself with similarity to other blacks. He really means no harm when quoting the N word but if it could be miscontrued for hate, then it's the thing as racial profiling. People, especially blacks, are assuming he's a racist for simply using the N word. That is what I mean by the ambiguity of this practice.

If you want to continue your discussion with racial profiling due to police, I will gladly continue that. You won't find much disagreement with me.

 

[dust1n]

With all respect, but what is important to you is not the same to me. Yes, I consider this important among other things like racial profiling. Do I consider it the most. No, I don't. This isn't favoring one race over another. I actually agree with you very much on how minorities are treated concerning police.

So what is the most important?

I see equality as two-fold. And this is ideal as it gets.:
* Being treated exactly the same with no exceptions.
* Having the ability to do the same as others with no exceptions.

Strange things about ideals is that they are that... ideals. I have no interest in gestating a baby. I'm not less equal to woman for not being able to give birth. Not to mention, I don't want to treat everyone exactly the same with no exceptions... I'm going to treat a KKK member like a douche bag, and -the example you are about to give as a woefully misguided kid.

If there's an exception here, then I question if it really is equality.

What if a white man follows black culture then he expresses himself with similarity to other blacks. He really means no harm when quoting the N word but if it could be miscontrued for hate, then it's the thing as racial profiling. People, especially blacks, are assuming he's a racist for simply using the N word. That is what I mean by the ambiguity of this practice.

Are they? Where and when?

If you want to continue your discussion with racial profiling due to police, I will gladly continue that. You won't find much disagreement with me.

I thought we were talking about relevant double standards.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm white and proud of it, if someone isn't proud of their colour, then that's their problem,

Why would I be proud just because my ancestors came from Ireland and Germany? I highly value my heritage, especially the German half, but pride? What pride is there in having an Irish grandmother who had some kids with my German grandfather? It would be no different than me being proud of being right-handed and left-eyed dominate, having Aspergerger's. Pride in how you were thrown into this world is just silly.

 

[suncowiam]

So what is the most important?



Strange things about ideals is that they are that... ideals. I have no interest in gestating a baby. I'm not less equal to woman for not being able to give birth. Not to mention, I don't want to treat everyone exactly the same with no exceptions... I'm going to treat a KKK member like a douche bag, and -the example you are about to give as a woefully misguided kid.



Are they? Where and when?



I thought we were talking about relevant double standards.

Your exceptions are subjective then. You still have to treat a KKK member with equality concerning career opportunities, medical treatment, police protection, free speech, and so on. Acceptance is not a one way road.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I totally understand.Just like there is a channel on cable called BET,which stands for Black Entertainment Television.If there were one called WET,or White Entertainment Television,it would be shut down so fast and called racist in a heartbeat.

Have you considered that pretty much every other channel already does cater to a white audience? It's no different than asking why we don't have a white history month, when history is already heavily white washed and void of many of the contributions, many of them significant, from pretty much every group that isn't white, and even to a large degree male.

Also,it is so true what you mentioned about Westerners not being able to speak their minds, and when it comes to something about a Muslim,oh no!,lets be quiet.This is true.I understand......

That is bull! I've encountered many people insist all Muslims are terrorists, all Muslims were dancing, cheering, and celebrating after the 9/11 attacks, I've heard at least a few derogatory and offensive terms thrown at them, and there is a great deal of hostility towards them. So much, in fact, that even Sikhs are occasionally the victims of anti-Islam sentiments because those people are so blinded by their hatred that they are too stupid to tell the difference.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/obama-told-these-brave-marines-to-stop-praying/

If he really did that, why is there no link to a speech proving he said that?

 

[dust1n]

Your exceptions are subjective then.

No kidding. Are you aware of an objective means of doing this?

You still have to treat a KKK member with equality concerning career opportunities,

As long as the KKK beliefs were in no way impeding a position or a workplace in some unreasonable manner, this would be true as far as I know, already.

medical treatment, police protection, free speech, and so on. Acceptance is not a one way road.

That would be true, already.


Let's clarify something about equality. Equality under the law is the law of the land (or should be). That doesn't mean I don't get to discern who I think who is a douche and who isn't, and treat people accordingly.

 

[psychoslice]

I used to spend in solarium centers for hours just to look bronze when I was younger ,does it mean I am not proud of it? Though there is no reason neither to be proud nor be ashamed of it.

Well just take your pick, it doesn't matter what we think of ourselves, we are what we are, why not be proud ?.

 

[suncowiam]

No kidding. Are you aware of an objective means of doing this?



As long as the KKK beliefs were in no way impeding a position or a workplace in some unreasonable manner, this would be true as far as I know, already.



That would be true, already.

I did mention an ideal way. But admittedly that is impractical for every day life. Might as well end the discussion and let everyone come to their own subjective conclusions. I can respect that.

 

[psychoslice]

Why would I be proud just because my ancestors came from Ireland and Germany? I highly value my heritage, especially the German half, but pride? What pride is there in having an Irish grandmother who had some kids with my German grandfather? It would be no different than me being proud of being right-handed and left-eyed dominate, having Aspergerger's. Pride in how you were thrown into this world is just silly.

That's you way of thinking, don't take away mine, I don't give a rats about black or white, they are both as bad as each other, but still I am what I am and I like what I am.

 

[dust1n]

I did mention an ideal way. But admittedly that is impractical for every day life. Might as well end the discussion and let everyone come to their own subjective conclusions. I can respect that.

I guess, I suspect the day black people in America don't have to worry about housing segregation, schooling segregation, unfair treatment by both government and market forces, the issue of the "n" word will have moved on to yet another slur-turned-lingo.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That's you way of thinking, don't take away mine, I don't give a rats about black or white, they are both as bad as each other, but still I am what I am and I like what I am.

I'm not trying to take anything away. I just truly do not understand this notion of having pride in something that is nothing more than a circumstance of birth.

 

[suncowiam]

I guess, I suspect the day black people in America don't have to worry about housing segregation, schooling segregation, unfair treatment by both government and market forces, the issue of the "n" word will have moved on to yet another slur-turned-lingo.

I introduced one topic that I find hypocritical. That was not to imply that its more important than these. It's not. Yes, there are still issues with racism and I hope we can end that. But suggesting to include all races including whites in that discussion.

BTW, my neighbor the other day was stopped by a police for simply making a left turn "aggressively." He recorded the incident on his cell phone. The police actually took the phone away from him after grabbing his elbow. Luckily it ended quickly after that without further esclataion. My neighbor is heavy built with a bald head and tattoos. So yeah, he looks like he's in a gang. But he's all down to earth and one of the nicest guys on the block. Totally the father of that household. There's a been a string of robberies in my neighborhood, so I'm guessing the cop was on higher alert.