You Were Inside Heaven, Because Of Your Parents.. You Kicked Out

[sojourner]

You better get out here. You're talking about Gahndi ? did you just said he wasn't aggressive bla bla bla ! have you ever read Ghandi's history ? he was racist by the way. You forgot the whole story I again need to tell you it's about Adam and Eve. The stupid, religious story. Which is worst fake story. Just look at that as shole history then talk about him.

Ghandi was into passive resistance against powermongers and corruption and discrimination. He championed the causes of black South Africans and women. I don't have any idea what you're talking about "racist."

Of course the creation story is mythic. Who says it isn't?

And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

[Camatose]

Ghandi was into passive resistance against powermongers and corruption and discrimination. He championed the causes of black South Africans and women. I don't have any idea what you're talking about "racist."

Of course the creation story is mythic. Who says it isn't?

And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

I will continue this discussion, you avoided the idea of my topic. I actually waited the answer from you, the holy spirit doesn't seem to work anymore. Anyway, its an open invitation to ask God to help you to find the answer ! or at least ask him to kill me ! 666 views and just few replies which means they got owned with a very simple question, I am not asking a question which requires a huge base of knowledge from theology or science. If I was a religious person who is far away from the truth, I'd rather change my mind about that story its the least I can do just in the case to correspond logic with my beliefs. It's not a surprise for people to believe in God for centuries while in some areas in India they still believe strictly in their weird traditional culture, for example marriage at very young age !. I've seen a lot in India mostly these practices are religious practices in the top but why they still believe and we're in 2013 at a very developed world, why they're still living in the third world ? if not the last world ? " fears from altering and being open to the world with clear, clean vision. Unfortunately, most of you don't bother themselves to think about the reality. Kids are usually question things around them and what if a kids asked you where's God, you'll say God in everywhere, then another question will pop-up in his brain, is God stalking at me ? Does Good look after me everywhere ? even in bathroom ? there's no problem to believe in God if you want to believe you're free to believe and disbelieve that's what I am saying and we can be good with each other But something will struck peace here "religions" oh yea ! infidels, kill your neighbor if you saw him working in Sunday etc... well, another example what if there's no such thing calls Islam in the entire world, ain't you afraid from the Iranian's nuclear weapons, why develop weapons ! in the name of God for sure, military with brain-washed soldiers what else ?

 

[satori8]

As a person who believes in logic I found the story of Adam and Eve is fairly unbelievable... Like I said we were in heaven, because of Adam and Eve we're no longer in heaven anymore.. So anyone who said God gave us the free will, according to this story this is irrationality, how? because God created this world for a purpose to keep us inside it and it was absolutely without doubt his plan for us to be here. Of course, he planned everything as well as you know, you have no free will at all, you didn't choice your race, skin color, nationality, your parents etc... The debate here about God's justice for the mankind. How comes for God to punish the entire human race just because their parents were sinner ? What if you're a criminal, there's a huge possibility for your children to be criminals like you.. nevertheless, if they imprisoned you, there's a huge hope that your children will not be criminals. For God it was his sake that's why he meant for you to inherit your parents sins.Unnecessarily to believe Adam's story and his wife to believe in God... that's true, but in most Abrahamic religions this story was mentioned in their holy books Torah, Bible, Qur'an. Now some of you might say, God gave them the free will to eat from tree of life, but Satan cheated on them. God created Satan for a purpose too, and there's nothing dropped out of his plan, no. As we know Satan changed himself to a snake and he cheated them, if that's true this is injustice either! for a simple reason God created Satan as a tricky creature, therefore Adam and Eve cannot figure out at that time who is Satan ?, from that logic I understand Satan has open access to heaven !
Discussion: you were inside heaven, because of your Parents.. you Kicked Out, this is injustice..If your parents were bad it's not a condition their children would be bad. God wanted us to be sinner as he planned.

If we took the story of the Garden of Eden literally it would be irrational. But when we take it metaphorically it makes sense, that man would devise a story to explain the problem of good and evil in the world.

By eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Adam and Eve became conscious and aware, yet at the same time were thrown into the ignorance of duality. Good and evil, right and wrong, male and female. And this brought about indifference for mankind. It is also symbolic for being born in the world, innocent, and then eventually becoming one who sees good and evil in all things. This creates a problem, the nature of good and evil, and it creates people choosing between the two, which leads to suffering. The story does not offer a solution initially, but it does offer a metaphorical insight to the problem with good and evil in the world.

 

[thau]

As a person who believes in logic I found the story of Adam and Eve is fairly unbelievable... Like I said we were in heaven, because of Adam and Eve we're no longer in heaven anymore.. So anyone who said God gave us the free will, according to this story this is irrationality, how? because God created this world for a purpose to keep us inside it and it was absolutely without doubt his plan for us to be here. Of course, he planned everything as well as you know, you have no free will at all, you didn't choice your race, skin color, nationality, your parents etc... The debate here about God's justice for the mankind. How comes for God to punish the entire human race just because their parents were sinner ? What if you're a criminal, there's a huge possibility for your children to be criminals like you.. nevertheless, if they imprisoned you, there's a huge hope that your children will not be criminals. For God it was his sake that's why he meant for you to inherit your parents sins.Unnecessarily to believe Adam's story and his wife to believe in God... that's true, but in most Abrahamic religions this story was mentioned in their holy books Torah, Bible, Qur'an. Now some of you might say, God gave them the free will to eat from tree of life, but Satan cheated on them. God created Satan for a purpose too, and there's nothing dropped out of his plan, no. As we know Satan changed himself to a snake and he cheated them, if that's true this is injustice either! for a simple reason God created Satan as a tricky creature, therefore Adam and Eve cannot figure out at that time who is Satan ?, from that logic I understand Satan has open access to heaven !
Discussion: you were inside heaven, because of your Parents.. you Kicked Out, this is injustice..If your parents were bad it's not a condition their children would be bad. God wanted us to be sinner as he planned.

So? What is the problem? Is God not good enough for you (hypothetically speaking)?

I do believe God intended for Scripture in many cases (including the adam and eve account) to simplify the message for our limited sakes. But for the record, yes, I believe Adam and Eve existed and are the biological parents of the entire existing human race.

But to your point about free will and God being fair: there is enough evidence, empirical and reasoned, to accept what Scripture teaches of the core tenets of the Christian faith and of who Jesus is and His immeasurable importance. All further validated over history through His Church (Catholic) and the many saints and their works. In My Opinion -- if nothing more.

Given that; let's not try to match wits with God and tell him how unfair he is to you or me. Heaven is eternal and yours ALMOST for the asking. But to those who think all one has to do is ask and then go on their merry ways --- God is not one to be mocked. It's never that simple. Life is a trial and that is evident and so easy to gratefully accept given all that God has promised to those who try to be good and faithful. That includes pagans, atheists, et al. who never heard about Jesus or cared to find out. They, too, can have great hope providing they do not CHOOSE to be cruel, selfish, and despicable.

 

[sojourner]

I will continue this discussion, you avoided the idea of my topic. I actually waited the answer from you, the holy spirit doesn't seem to work anymore. Anyway, its an open invitation to ask God to help you to find the answer ! or at least ask him to kill me ! 666 views and just few replies which means they got owned with a very simple question, I am not asking a question which requires a huge base of knowledge from theology or science. If I was a religious person who is far away from the truth, I'd rather change my mind about that story its the least I can do just in the case to correspond logic with my beliefs. It's not a surprise for people to believe in God for centuries while in some areas in India they still believe strictly in their weird traditional culture, for example marriage at very young age !. I've seen a lot in India mostly these practices are religious practices in the top but why they still believe and we're in 2013 at a very developed world, why they're still living in the third world ? if not the last world ? " fears from altering and being open to the world with clear, clean vision. Unfortunately, most of you don't bother themselves to think about the reality. Kids are usually question things around them and what if a kids asked you where's God, you'll say God in everywhere, then another question will pop-up in his brain, is God stalking at me ? Does Good look after me everywhere ? even in bathroom ? there's no problem to believe in God if you want to believe you're free to believe and disbelieve that's what I am saying and we can be good with each other But something will struck peace here "religions" oh yea ! infidels, kill your neighbor if you saw him working in Sunday etc... well, another example what if there's no such thing calls Islam in the entire world, ain't you afraid from the Iranian's nuclear weapons, why develop weapons ! in the name of God for sure, military with brain-washed soldiers what else ?

You're ranting. Take a breath and wipe the spit from the corner of your mouth. Who said anything about Adam & Eve being a literalistic account?

 

[Camatose]

So? What is the problem? Is God not good enough for you (hypothetically speaking)?

I do believe God intended for Scripture in many cases (including the adam and eve account) to simplify the message for our limited sakes. But for the record, yes, I believe Adam and Eve existed and are the biological parents of the entire existing human race.

But to your point about free will and God being fair: there is enough evidence, empirical and reasoned, to accept what Scripture teaches of the core tenets of the Christian faith and of who Jesus is and His immeasurable importance. All further validated over history through His Church (Catholic) and the many saints and their works. In My Opinion -- if nothing more.

Given that; let's not try to match wits with God and tell him how unfair he is to you or me. Heaven is eternal and yours ALMOST for the asking. But to those who think all one has to do is ask and then go on their merry ways --- God is not one to be mocked. It's never that simple. Life is a trial and that is evident and so easy to gratefully accept given all that God has promised to those who try to be good and faithful. That includes pagans, atheists, et al. who never heard about Jesus or cared to find out. They, too, can have great hope providing they do not CHOOSE to be cruel, selfish, and despicable.

I didn't get your point in fact.

 

[thau]

I didn't get your point in fact.

I guess that makes us even then?

 

[Camatose]

So? What is the problem? Is God not good enough for you (hypothetically speaking)?

I do believe God intended for Scripture in many cases (including the adam and eve account) to simplify the message for our limited sakes. But for the record, yes, I believe Adam and Eve existed and are the biological parents of the entire existing human race.

But to your point about free will and God being fair: there is enough evidence, empirical and reasoned, to accept what Scripture teaches of the core tenets of the Christian faith and of who Jesus is and His immeasurable importance. All further validated over history through His Church (Catholic) and the many saints and their works. In My Opinion -- if nothing more.

Given that; let's not try to match wits with God and tell him how unfair he is to you or me. Heaven is eternal and yours ALMOST for the asking. But to those who think all one has to do is ask and then go on their merry ways --- God is not one to be mocked. It's never that simple. Life is a trial and that is evident and so easy to gratefully accept given all that God has promised to those who try to be good and faithful. That includes pagans, atheists, et al. who never heard about Jesus or cared to find out. They, too, can have great hope providing they do not CHOOSE to be cruel, selfish, and despicable.

God is not one to be mocked. It's never that simple

I don't know what do you mean by that ? God is a joke for me ? no of course not.
Life is a trial and that is evident and so easy to gratefully accept given all that God has promised to those who try to be good and faithful.[/quote]Well, good lesson. However, I don't think so. Promises ? :sleep: I promise you to send one million dollar ? will you believe me ? this is like hypnosis what I am suppose to do with promises ?.

That includes pagans, atheists, et al. who never heard about Jesus or cared to find out. They, too, can have great hope providing they do not CHOOSE to be cruel, selfish, and despicable

I also choose to be good and that's normal for every human being unless some religious if not most of them, the followed their holy books teachings. Unfortunately Muslims kill people including Muslims, Christians working in war business and same for the Jews. And that's cruel, selfish and eventually despicable. Hope this helped.

 

[Katzpur]

Discussion: you were inside heaven, because of your Parents.. you Kicked Out, this is injustice..If your parents were bad it's not a condition their children would be bad. God wanted us to be sinner as he planned.

Okay, I'd say you were inside a place that could be described as "paradise," but it was not Heaven, at least not the Heaven I believe we'll ultimately return to. I don't believe I'd even exist if it were not for "my Parents" (i.e. Adam and Eve) choosing to eat the forbidden fruit, so I actually feel as if I owe them a huge debt of gratitude. I don't believe God even wanted anybody to be a "sinner," but knew that it was absolutely essential to our progress that we experience both good and evil and learn to choose between them. After all, a choice where no alternatives are offered is hardly a choice.

 

[thau]

“God is not one to be mocked. It's never that simple”

I don't know what do you mean by that ? God is a joke for me ? no of course not.

No, not what I meant, in fact it was not really directed at you. It was directed at those Chrisians (like me?... I hope not) who think all one needs to do is accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior vocally and publicly and that guarantees them a place in heaven when they die. Regardless of how they behave afterwards? They must be kidding? But so many believe that of various Protestant sects. I think it is terribly dangerous and false. That, to me, is mocking God, esp. Jesus sacrifice on the cross.



“Life is a trial and that is evident and so easy to gratefully accept given all that God has promised to those who try to be good and faithful”

Well, good lesson. However, I don't think so. Promises ? I promise you to send one million dollar ? will you believe me ? this is like hypnosis what I am suppose to do with promises ?.

If you could provide the evidence for your supernatural existence and validate your love and message through miracles time and time again --- then, yes, I would believe you. However, hitherto, the only One who has ever resembled that deity with empirical proof is Jesus Christ. Not Buddha, Muhammad, Shiva, Zues, or any other claim.




“That includes pagans, atheists, et al. who never heard about Jesus or cared to find out. They, too, can have great hope providing they do not CHOOSE to be cruel, selfish, and despicable”

I also choose to be good and that's normal for every human being unless some religious if not most of them, the followed their holy books teachings.

I beg to differ. I submit the vast majority of humanity in the West, or those of means, choose to satisfy all of their own wants and desires before they throw more than a few crumbs (by comparison) to their fellow man. I submit most of humanity suffers from pride and vanity beyond any acceptable level. We also suffer from lust, greed, gossip and so on. The Virgin Mary once told a visionary in the West “that which angers God the most is our shameful immorality and foul ingratitude.” A direct sting!!



Unfortunately Muslims kill people including Muslims, Christians working in war business and same for the Jews. And that's cruel, selfish and eventually despicable. Hope this helped.

We are all judged uniquely based on a myriad of factors. God is just and merciful. I do not believe being a devout Christian would have some advantage except for the fact Jesus instructed His disciples to go to all corners of the world baptizing and preaching the good news --- so it must.

My apologies if I came off a little impertinent earlier.

 

[Camatose]

“God is not one to be mocked. It's never that simple”

I don't know what do you mean by that ? God is a joke for me ? no of course not.

No, not what I meant, in fact it was not really directed at you. It was directed at those Chrisians (like me?... I hope not) who think all one needs to do is accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior vocally and publicly and that guarantees them a place in heaven when they die. Regardless of how they behave afterwards? They must be kidding? But so many believe that of various Protestant sects. I think it is terribly dangerous and false. That, to me, is mocking God, esp. Jesus sacrifice on the cross.



“Life is a trial and that is evident and so easy to gratefully accept given all that God has promised to those who try to be good and faithful”

Well, good lesson. However, I don't think so. Promises ? I promise you to send one million dollar ? will you believe me ? this is like hypnosis what I am suppose to do with promises ?.

If you could provide the evidence for your supernatural existence and validate your love and message through miracles time and time again --- then, yes, I would believe you. However, hitherto, the only One who has ever resembled that deity with empirical proof is Jesus Christ. Not Buddha, Muhammad, Shiva, Zues, or any other claim.




“That includes pagans, atheists, et al. who never heard about Jesus or cared to find out. They, too, can have great hope providing they do not CHOOSE to be cruel, selfish, and despicable”

I also choose to be good and that's normal for every human being unless some religious if not most of them, the followed their holy books teachings.

I beg to differ. I submit the vast majority of humanity in the West, or those of means, choose to satisfy all of their own wants and desires before they throw more than a few crumbs (by comparison) to their fellow man. I submit most of humanity suffers from pride and vanity beyond any acceptable level. We also suffer from lust, greed, gossip and so on. The Virgin Mary once told a visionary in the West “that which angers God the most is our shameful immorality and foul ingratitude.” A direct sting!!



Unfortunately Muslims kill people including Muslims, Christians working in war business and same for the Jews. And that's cruel, selfish and eventually despicable. Hope this helped.

We are all judged uniquely based on a myriad of factors. God is just and merciful. I do not believe being a devout Christian would have some advantage except for the fact Jesus instructed His disciples to go to all corners of the world baptizing and preaching the good news --- so it must.

My apologies if I came off a little impertinent earlier.

Well, miracles are a mixture of magical ticks and psychological tricks. And there's no such nothing scientifically. You went far away from my point, it's not heaven itself nor about Jesus himself. It is all about God's justice and the irrationality of that story. To me, it seems like a childish story and in the same time it's a torture ! the saddest thing they're many people who still refuse to question themselves about God, religion is not negotiable for them is not a hot topic either because the mind is already locked up with one idea, it's like a panic in their mind. I don't really need to hear what God did or didn't or how or when ! I am not the one who is not satisfied about God to tell me what God prepared for me in the eternal life in your beliefs.

 

[Camatose]

(1) Was Satan clever or smarter than Adam and Eve ?
(2) Do they know what the sin is and they were in heaven ?
(3) It wasn't their free will to eat the apple, if so why did God created the earth, even if it was their free will how could they judge ?
(4) If the story is right and God exists, why did God kick their children out ?
(5) Is Satan in heaven ?

Five clear questions about the story, waiting for your answers.

 

[thau]

(1) Was Satan clever or smarter than Adam and Eve ?

Yes, I would say so. Satan is more clever than most of the human race in some very meaningful ways. The Bible does indicate that on some levels.


(2) Do they know what the sin is and they were in heaven ?

I imagine they knew right from wrong. Adam knew what Eve did was wrong, yet he indulged her anyway.


(3) It wasn't their free will to eat the apple, if so why did God created the earth, even if it was their free will how could they judge ?

I am not sure why you are thinking they might not have had free will in paradise? I think it is clear they did. Why does it follow if you are in heaven you can no longer judge right from wrong?... because no wrong exists up there?


(4) If the story is right and God exists, why did God kick their children out ?

The whole account of Adam and Eve, whether true or allegorical, is for the benefit of God’s creation to understand their own purpose of existence. What seems apparent to me is that God prefers the love of a human being with free will over an angel He created incapable of sinning. He also prefers mankind over dogs and other animals, yet he created them as well. So I believe God very well knew what would follow and the whole human earthly existence is a rewarding learning experience for all of man. We become far more grateful for all we have been given vs. an angel who goes through no trial. (Note: what happened to the fallen angels long before man was ever created is a whole other matter, unrelated to our plight or understandings.)


(5) Is Satan in heaven ?

Heaven has many different levels. Satan was once Lucifer, the most beautiful of all angels somewhere in God’s paradise. But do I think he was anywhere near the throne room of God at that level? No chance. Nothing defiled shall ever enter the kingdom says the Book of Revelations. No devil is anywhere near heaven in our age. (my understandings of it all)

 

[Camatose]

Yes, I would say so. Satan is more clever than most of the human race in some very meaningful ways. The Bible does indicate that on some levels.

Fair enough ! God cheated on them and it was his plan and you just admit it. Because he created Satan who clever enough to cheat them and their children for sure. How can blame them ? Satan was smarter !

I imagine they knew right from wrong. Adam knew what Eve did was wrong, yet he indulged her anyway.

Where's your proof sir ?

I am not sure why you are thinking they might not have had free will in paradise? I think it is clear they did. Why does it follow if you are in heaven you can no longer judge right from wrong?... because no wrong exists up there?

Then why God considered eating from the tree of life such a sin or let me say a HUGE sin ?

The whole account of Adam and Eve, whether true or allegorical, is for the benefit of God’s creation to understand their own purpose of existence. What seems apparent to me is that God prefers the love of a human being with free will over an angel He created incapable of sinning. He also prefers mankind over dogs and other animals, yet he created them as well. So I believe God very well knew what would follow and the whole human earthly existence is a rewarding learning experience for all of man. We become far more grateful for all we have been given vs. an angel who goes through no trial. (Note: what happened to the fallen angels long before man was ever created is a whole other matter, unrelated to our plight or understandings.)

What is that ? I asked why God kicked their children and you explained another issue.

Heaven has many different levels. Satan was once Lucifer, the most beautiful of all angels somewhere in God’s paradise. But do I think he was anywhere near the throne room of God at that level? No chance. Nothing defiled shall ever enter the kingdom says the Book of Revelations. No devil is anywhere near heaven in our age. (my understandings of it all)

So Satan has access to heaven and who did that ? Satan himself or God ? sure God he's the creator and he suppose to be powerful to kick Satan out of heaven just like when he kicked 'us' ! but he needed somebody who is intelligent to cheat the mankind the whole mankind including me and you sir.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

The serpent in the Garden wasn't Satan. Nothing in Genesis says that it was and it's not until later that people start drawing that conclusion. Also Satan in the Bible was among the Sons of God who was to test people. --)indicated in Job as he had no power to do anything until God Told him. That Same Satan if you want to say it was the serpent would be the same who would cause Eve and Adam to fall. Which would draw up the question what wager did God make with him that time?

If I remember correctly doesn't Satan translate to the the opposer?

 

[sojourner]

(1) Was Satan clever or smarter than Adam and Eve ?
(2) Do they know what the sin is and they were in heaven ?
(3) It wasn't their free will to eat the apple, if so why did God created the earth, even if it was their free will how could they judge ?
(4) If the story is right and God exists, why did God kick their children out ?
(5) Is Satan in heaven ?

Five clear questions about the story, waiting for your answers.

1) Satan wasn't present in the story of Adam & Eve.
2) They weren't in heaven. Heaven is not a concept congruent with the rest of Genesis. They were in the garden.
3) There was no apple in the story. However, if there had been an apple, they would have been free to eat it, if they so chose.
4) According to Genesis, Adam & Eve's offspring were never in the garden. They were born outside the boundaries of the garden.
5) Satan doesn't have anything to do with the creation myth.

 

[Camatose]

1) Satan wasn't present in the story of Adam & Eve.
2) They weren't in heaven. Heaven is not a concept congruent with the rest of Genesis. They were in the garden.
3) There was no apple in the story. However, if there had been an apple, they would have been free to eat it, if they so chose.
4) According to Genesis, Adam & Eve's offspring were never in the garden. They were born outside the boundaries of the garden.
5) Satan doesn't have anything to do with the creation myth.

1) Satan wasn't present in the story of Adam & Eve.

wheres your proof ?
2) They weren't in heaven. Heaven is not a concept congruent with the rest of Genesis. They were in the garden.
where's your proof

There was no apple in the story. However, if there had been an apple, they would have been free to eat it, if they so chose.

I already talked about it.
5) Satan doesn't have anything to do with the creation myth.[/quote]
creation myth... well according to the bible, or let me tell you have you ever read the bible in your life ?

Now the Lord God had planted a garden in the east, in Eden; and there he put the man he had formed. 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground—trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

I don't seem to care if it was orange or apple.

The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”


God commanded him but see the result !

The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

Yea not good keep the little man busy.

Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

:angel2:

whatever the fruit is, or whatever the reason was it's unfair to kick somebody who is innocent like me and you, how could somebody believes childish, unbelievable stuff like that ?.

The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

What shocked me in this verse of course you're going to dismiss it for sure ! but I really think you need to train yourself to accept that or to reject it entirely instead of trying to repair something unprepared what I mean by that if there's something, is not exist how could you maintain nothing ? nothing changes nothing. Let us think about that story, we have no explanation what did we come here, so you guys conceived an agent to say that is the cause behind everything.

but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.

You believe in God, and all religions almost support science, so let's experiment that verse ^, go to a place where so many people available there and make a hole in any wall and write a warning note near of it "Do Not Look Through This Hole" see what will happen ? that's what I have for you I am not going to tell you the answer until you find it by yourself, then you'll understand your nature not God's instructions. Because that instruction is absolutely, definitely, without doubt, without hesitation against psychology and against my nature and your nature as human beings.

 

[InChrist]

(1) Was Satan clever or smarter than Adam and Eve ?

Yes.

(2) Do they know what the sin is and they were in heaven ?

They were on earth and they knew enough to trust and obey God their Creator.

3)It wasn't their free will to eat the apple, if so why did God created the earth, even if it was their free will how could they judge ?

They knew God loved and cared for them and so His command concerning the tree was in their best interest. They had enough information to make a freewill choice to obey or disobey.

4) If the story is right and God exists, why did God kick their children out ?

God exiled humans from the garden of Eden because by their choice they demonstrated that they preferred to trust their own judgment and the lead of Satan for their lives, so God let them have it their way.

(5) Is Satan in heaven ?

When Adam and Eve gave up their dominion of the earth by following Satan's lead instead of God, Satan became the god of this world, yet he still has access to heaven at times.

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[Camatose]

Yes.

They were on earth and they knew enough to trust and obey God their Creator.

They knew God loved and cared for them and so His command concerning the tree was in their best interest. They had enough information to make a freewill choice to obey or disobey.

God exiled humans from the garden of Eden because by their choice they demonstrated that they preferred to trust their own judgment and the lead of Satan for their lives, so God let them have it their way.


When Adam and Eve gave up their dominion of the earth by following Satan's lead instead of God, Satan became the god of this world, yet he still has access to heaven at times.

[/quote]
Alright, you said they have enough knowledge to choice! and you're wrong. Do you like this world ? I mean of course they don't have any knowledge where's you proof ? if they had knowledge at that time it would be the worst knowledge ever and I can't call it knowledge "stupidity" better. Let's assume they do have a GREAT knowledge, and let me give you a simple example: I'll leave you in the desert or in the forest and I'll leave you alone there with a map to get you out from the desert, as I know you can read maps that's what I know ! in this case I played God's role and you played Adam's role, here's the question will you find the way and IF you found it who guarantees your safety ?

 

[Falvlun]

If there's no original sin then why do we need Jesus ?

No original sin doesn't mean that there's no sin. Lack of original sin just means we aren't born with a debt of sin. But that doesn't preclude our ability to grow up and end up doing bad things on our own.