Your best argument that G-d does not exist

[9-10ths_Penguin]

As far as I know god is invisible because he isn't matter or energy or everything that u can imagine

"As far as you know"? Aren't you arguing that we don't know anything about God? If this is true, aren't you just making up these claims about God?

 

[viole]

No no

U know what?

I can't explain them in English but I try

Look
I'm trying to say that for example we can't say
Contradiction or paradox is possible
Why??
Because we can't imagine something that is existent and non existent at the same time
Right?

Philosophers say this fact needs no reason because it's very very clear
And we just need to prepare reason for something that is vague

Is that a defense of causality? Or an attempt to divert from the issue?

Ciao

- viole

 

[leibowde84]

God is only one being.

The question is asking which of the many Gods referred to by humans, whether they are real or not.

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

Atheists can't say there is no evidence so it doesn't exist

Only hard, unreasoning atheists say that. Agnosto-atheists say there is no evidence so It MIGHT not exist. The only other reasonable position of God, Agnosto-deists say the same thing. All the other gods are based on total hearsay.

 

[interminable]

Do you think it's ever reasonable to say that a species is extinct?

If the god in question would be expected to have some sort of evidence, then the absence of that evidence is the evidence of the god's absence.

And there's absolutely nothing wrong with saying that because there's no evidence for your god, your god is made up. When it comes right down to it, your objection really amounts to saying that atheists can't prove that theists serendipitously stumbled onto a god-concept that matches something real, even though it was just an unjustified wild guess.

Is *your* religion an unjustified wild guess?

Which evidences can I prepare for an unlimited existence that isn't made of matter and energy?????

In this case I just can say that all these phenomena certainly has an intelligent cause that isn't made of something else
Because he himself is the first cause

These phenomena are sign and portent of his existence
Someone that can't see all these phenomena and says there is no evidence of god how can I prepare for him evidence?

U r sane right???
Show me it please
Can u?

No we just by your behavior and your statements and actions understand that u are sane

The same for god

I don't know why u accept footsteps are sign of a human for example
But can't accept all the creatures a sign of god

 

[Willamena]

No
Just say I don't know whether exist or not

U knowledge doesn't allow u to claim that

But then I'd be lying. If I deny the evidence of my senses, I am lying.

I don't want to lie.

Somethings that we don't know are more than we know
So please just be rational
Maybe it exists

Some things that we don't know are more than we know are make-believe.

 

[interminable]

Is your god a "something we don't know"?

We know him and his attributes

But we don't know and it's better to say we will never understand his nature and essence

Because we are limited and a limited thing can't reach an unlimited one

 

[Willamena]

Only hard, unreasoning atheists say that.

No, it's only true Scotsmen who say that. True 18th Century reasoning Scotsmen.

 

[interminable]

"As far as you know"? Aren't you arguing that we don't know anything about God? If this is true, aren't you just making up these claims about God?

I told u we know nothing about his essence but his existence is very clear
Of course if u want to accept it

 

[interminable]

Is that a defense of causality? Or an attempt to divert from the issue?

Ciao

- viole

Second one isn't true but make your statements easier for me to understand what are u trying to say

 

[interminable]

But then I'd be lying. If I deny the evidence of my senses, I am lying.

I don't want to lie.


Some things that we don't know are more than we know are make-believe.

I'm trying to say that your senses can never sense something that isn't matter so how can u say there is no evidence so there is no God

Your senses don't tell lie

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

We know him and his attributes

How?

But we don't know and it's better to say we will never understand his nature and essence

What do you mean by "attributes" and what do you mean by "nature and essence"? How are they different?

Because we are limited and a limited thing can't reach an unlimited one

Yet you supposedly "reached" God enough to know that God exists and is unlimited? This doesn't add up.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I told u we know nothing about his essence but his existence is very clear
Of course if u want to accept it

What makes you say that God's existence is very clear?

 

[Willamena]

I'm trying to say that your senses can never sense something that isn't matter so how can u say there is no evidence so there is no God

Your senses don't tell lie

I'm apparently not so much a materialist as you are. But to suggest that there is an elephant in the room (literal) despite my senses is to propose the imagined.

My senses don't lie.

 

[Ana.J]

1. What evidence do you have FOR a Creator God?
2. What evidence do you have FOR other gods?

1) For me there is no need to prove His existence. I feel Him. I know that he exists.
2) None. I think we have invented most of them.

 

[interminable]

How?


What do you mean by "attributes" and what do you mean by "nature and essence"? How are they different?


Yet you supposedly "reached" God enough to know that God exists and is unlimited? This doesn't add up.

According to infinite regress we have to accept the first cause as a creator of everything
And we have to accept that this cause has not been created by anything else so there is no time that this cause didn't exist
And we know that matter is made of components
Befor combination of components there should be a time that matter wasn't existed so first cause can't be made of matter

And now because he is first cause it means nothing existed before him so nothing can limit him
If something can limit him that thing is existed already for example if time or space can limit the first cause it means they existed before the first cause and this is contradictory because we supposed that this existence is a first cause

So he is unlimited

 

[interminable]

What makes you say that God's existence is very clear?

When u see a car u simply think about its inventor and his intelligence
But u look around and see all these phenomena and don't think about their creator!!

It's strange isn't it?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

1) For me there is no need to prove His existence. I feel Him. I know that he exists.

Could you describe the feeling?

 

[ThePainefulTruth]

1) For me there is no need to prove His existence. I feel Him. I know that he exists.

Feeling is knowing? Do you know that it's a he or feel that it's a he? She? I go with It. Gender is only required for biological reproduction.

2) None. I think we have invented most of them.

True. All but one, if that.

 

[Ana.J]

Feeling is knowing? Do you know that it's a he or feel that it's a he? She? I go with It. Gender is only required for biological reproduction.

Sometimes feeling IS knowing as if I feel something be it physical temperature or metaphysical energy I have no doubt it exists. I feel that God if far more than a gender. God is everyone and everting As abstract as that