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Your Complaints About Christianity?

blü 2

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Do you have any complaints about Christianity?

What are some of the things about Christianity that you personally do not approve of; or accept in the contents of the bible?


Am a person who has limited interaction with others aside from the internet; curious to anyone and everyone and their thoughts on these things here at ReligiousForums.com.
First of all I'm not opposed, have no moral objection, to people who find comfort or similar benefits from their faith and who act towards others with decency, respect and inclusion.

Second, as to Christianity as such ─

I find human sacrifice a repulsive idea,

and I further find it incomprehensible that a god billed as benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient would sacrifice anyone to [him]self, let alone [his] own son

and I also find the ceremony of drinking human blood and eating human flesh in the eucharist repulsive and likewise incomprehesible.

I was once in a church just before Easter where the "seven stations of the cross" were represented by paintings around the walls, a sado-masochistic parade which was innately repulsive and in this case particularly repulsive because of the obvious relish of the painter.

I dislike the Christian notion of original sin and of telling (in particular) children that they're already guilty and booked for hell and therefore must toe God's line.

I object to the Christian claim that the Jews killed Christ. The gospels make it plain that Jesus' mission from the outset was to die, and that he refused numerous opportunities to escape and insisted on proceeding. It seems inescapable that Jesus' death was avoidable, therefore voluntary, therefore suicide.

I object to the idea that Jesus was a savior sent by the Jewish God. It's incomprehensible that the result of sending 'his own son' was and is two millennia of often murderous antisemitism, of which Hitler's death camps were simply a logical extension. By the time John was written, Christianity was its own religion, distinct from and opposed to Judaism.

I therefore reject the notion that the Tanakh is relevant to Christianity. It's plain as day that Jesus is nothing like the Jewish concept of a messiah, who is a civil, military or religious leader of the Jews and will bring them / recover for them their political independence. It is equally true that none of the purported prophecies of Jesus in the Tanakh can be recognized as valid ─ he was never in the mold of a Jewish messiah.

Nor is the Christian claim tenable that the Jews recognized Jesus as the messiah but wantonly and for their own secret purposes refused to say so ─ "rejected him". As I said, Jesus is entirely unrecognizable as a Jewish messiah.

It follows that Christianity would make a lot more sense if it had never claimed links with the Tanakh. For example, if you ever compare Paul's excuse for abandoning the covenant of circumcision with the relevant verses of the Tanakh, you'll see that his argument is untenable. It's a thin pretext ─ what Paul is really saying is that the requirement of circumcision gets in the way of sales (as no doubt it did).

It also seems silly to me that anyone would want to place Jesus as intermediary between themselves and their God, whom they'd always been at liberty to appeal to directly, though that's not strictly relevant in this context. The idea appears to come from Paul's gnosticism, where God is spirit pure and remote and would never sully [him]self by creating a mere material universe; hence in Paul and John (but not the others) Jesus creates the material universe (regardless of what Genesis says), and thus identifies as the gnostic demiurge.

There is of course more, but those seem to me to be the big ones.
 
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PureX

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My problem with "Christianity" is that it has become a religion. Jesus was a Jew, and he remained a Jew to the end. Even as his fellow Jews had him tortured and killed. And he mostly only preached to Jews, admonishing them to mind their Jewish laws and customs. Though he welcomed non-Jews, too.

And most importantly, Jews then and now are NOT evangelical. They have never believed that non-Jews need to become Jews to relate themselves properly to God. So Jesus would not have preached any such recommendation. The evangelical religion that sprung up in his wake would not have been his intention. His message was clearly spiritual, and intended both for the religious, and the non-religious, alike. It was the message that God's divine spirit dwells within ALL of us, and that if we will allow ourselves as human beings to become the embodiment of that spirit (of love, forgiveness, kindness, and generosity) we will be healed and saved from ourselves (from the insanity and self-centered fear that we are all currently living in) and we can then help to heal and save others, similarly. And with this revelation comes a promise: that if and when enough of us determine to do this, the whole world will be healed and saved, from us. And 'paradise' will be restored.

It's a message and a promise that anyone can understand, and choose to adopt, regardless of their religion, or lack of it.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

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Do you have any complaints about Christianity?

What are some of the things about Christianity that you personally do not approve of; or accept in the contents of the bible?


Am a person who has limited interaction with others aside from the internet; curious to anyone and everyone and their thoughts on these things here at ReligiousForums.com.
Can you be more specific?

I mean, RF has a limit of 10,000 characters per post. I don't think that would be enough for all of my complaints about Christianity.
 

PruePhillip

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Do you have any complaints about Christianity?
What are some of the things about Christianity that you personally do not approve of; or accept in the contents of the bible?

Can you be more specific?
I mean, RF has a limit of 10,000 characters per post. I don't think that would be enough for all of my complaints about Christianity.


Any complaint about Christianity must first address the issue
WHAT IS CHRISTIANITY.
Christianity is the life and example of Jesus Christ.

Now, any complaint about crusades, indulgences, pedophile priests etc
ARE NOT ABOUT CHRISTIANITY.
 

Dogknox20

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You have friends here :)

I would say that Christianity comes off to me as a human sacrifice religion, which I am dead against.

I don't like how it deals with sin (the human sacrifice and related theology).

I don't like how much of it comes from Greek thought.

I don't like that it's nothing like its parent religion, Judaism.

In essence, my complaint is 'It's not Judaism'.
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I reply; then you don't understand it!
Rival It's a religion of love! God is LOVE! He loves us so much he gave us his only son to take our place in death.
Jesus the God/man willingly went to the grave in our place! Because he was without sin he rose again.. Sin could not hold him in death! ALL...

Rival all we have to do now is get our sorry ssa' IMMERSED into his risen body... No one can die twice: Jesus has been there and done that.. Jesus will never die he will live eternally YOU ALSO...

Rival you also will live forever as long as you remain in his risen body!
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Any complaint about Christianity must first address the issue
WHAT IS CHRISTIANITY.
Christianity is the life and example of Jesus Christ.

Now, any complaint about crusades, indulgences, pedophile priests etc
ARE NOT ABOUT CHRISTIANITY.
Any religion - including Christianity - is defined by the beliefs and practices of its adherents.

If some hypothetical Jesus wouldn't approve of Christianity as it's actually expressed, then Jesus wouldn't approve of Christianity; it wouldn't make Christianity somehow "not Christianity."
 

Rival

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I reply; then you don't understand it!
Rival It's a religion of love! God is LOVE! He loves us so much he gave us his only son to take our place in death.
Jesus the God/man willingly went to the grave in our place! Because he was without sin he rose again.. Sin could not hold him in death! ALL...

Rival all we have to do now is get our sorry ssa' IMMERSED into his risen body... No one can die twice: Jesus has been there and done that.. Jesus will never die he will live eternally YOU ALSO...

Rival you also will live forever as long as you remain in his risen body!
Jesus was a human. He died as a sacrifice to his God. That's a human sacrifice.
 

PruePhillip

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Any religion - including Christianity - is defined by the beliefs and practices of its adherents.

If some hypothetical Jesus wouldn't approve of Christianity as it's actually expressed, then Jesus wouldn't approve of Christianity; it wouldn't make Christianity somehow "not Christianity."

Yes, 100%
Peter warned that after his departure people would come in and 'make merchandise of you'
Well that happened. Jesus took no money and said 'freely given, freely receive'
And Paul was disappointed in those who created 'holy days' - and from them we get Easter, Christmas, Lent....
And the author of Hebrews (?) said that those who worship at man-made altars have no right to enter God's kingdom.
and so on.
Is Christianity defined by Jesus, or is it defined by the 45,000 different churches today?
 

Clara Tea

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Do you have any complaints about Christianity?

What are some of the things about Christianity that you personally do not approve of; or accept in the contents of the bible?


Am a person who has limited interaction with others aside from the internet; curious to anyone and everyone and their thoughts on these things here at ReligiousForums.com.

No problem if Christians walked in the footsteps of Jesus.

Complaint about Christianity. Christ (and bible and God) set rules, but Christians don't follow them.

1. "Thou shalt not kill" (war and Guantanamo torture camp). Reverend Hagee asked us to pray to win that war (ridiculous....should have objected to war, especially in Iraq).

2. Help the poor (hoards of homeless to fend for themselves).

3. Heal the sick (Religious Right fights against universal health care....Obamacare).

4. Shepherd the environment (lie about mankind's acceleration of Global Warming). Cut trees (greed of logging industry--loves mammon more than God).

5. "Judge not lest ye be judged" (bash Gays because bible is against them....but that is God's job, not ours).

6. I am certain that Christians wouldn't accept that Christ made his 2nd coming in modern times. They are too jaded to believe in a savior.

7. Christians won't accept modern prophecies. God sent prophets to warn (again) not to attack Iraq or face God's wrath....now Revelation 15 sends plagues. Kilauea volcano will erupt from a side vent weeks from now, harming the city of Pahoa, district of Puna, Hawaii County, Hawaii (big island...the island of Hawaii) with lava, and killing plants by heating the soil with magma. Christians ignore God's psychics. While lava is normal in Hawaii, this huge lava flow is extraordinary.

8. Faith is belief without proof. But what if that belief is in the wrong God? What if the same faith makes one follow false preachers? Reverend Robert Schuller accepted church donations for his Crystal Cathedral, but it wasn't the church's property...it was Schuller's private property. Now Schuller's son got the $50 million profit from its sale and heads Liberty University (Christian), but was photographed in public with booze in one arm, a scantily clad blonde in the other arm, and his pants down with his penis sticking out. Are church proceeds helping the poor or contributing to delinquency?
 

PruePhillip

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No problem if Christians walked in the footsteps of Jesus.

Complaint about Christianity. Christ (and bible and God) set rules, but Christians don't follow them.

1. "Thou shalt not kill" (war and Guantanamo torture camp). Reverend Hagee asked us to pray to win that war (ridiculous....should have objected to war, especially in Iraq).

2. Help the poor (hoards of homeless to fend for themselves).

3. Heal the sick (Religious Right fights against universal health care....Obamacare).

4. Shepherd the environment (lie about mankind's acceleration of Global Warming). Cut trees (greed of logging industry--loves mammon more than God).

5. "Judge not lest ye be judged" (bash Gays because bible is against them....but that is God's job, not ours).

6. I am certain that Christians wouldn't accept that Christ made his 2nd coming in modern times. They are too jaded to believe in a savior.

7. Christians won't accept modern prophecies. God sent prophets to warn (again) not to attack Iraq or face God's wrath....now Revelation 15 sends plagues. Kilauea volcano will erupt from a side vent weeks from now, harming the city of Pahoa, district of Puna, Hawaii County, Hawaii (big island...the island of Hawaii) with lava, and killing plants by heating the soil with magma. Christians ignore God's psychics.

8. Faith is belief without proof. But what if that belief is in the wrong God? What if the same faith makes one follow false preachers? Reverend Robert Schuller accepted church donations for his Crystal Cathedral, but it wasn't the church's property...it was Schuller's private property. Now Schuller's son got the $50 million profit from its sale and heads Liberty University (Christian), but was photographed in public with booze in one arm, a scantily clad blonde in the other arm, and his pants down with his penis sticking out. Are church proceeds helping the poor or contributing to delinquency?

You can say that Christianity is about 'gay marriage' or 'no-fault divorce' too but like most
of what you wrote above, it is not Christianity.
 

sayak83

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Do you have any complaints about Christianity?

What are some of the things about Christianity that you personally do not approve of; or accept in the contents of the bible?


Am a person who has limited interaction with others aside from the internet; curious to anyone and everyone and their thoughts on these things here at ReligiousForums.com.
1) The Christian theory of sin and salvation makes no sense to me.
2) God's actions in the Adam and Eve story, Noah story, Egypt plague story and Job story are ethically problematic.
3) That a God suddenly reveals after 2000 years of interaction that He is a triune makes no sense to me.
4)That fundamental truths about the God and His relations with us were revealed as historical events that are so poorly recorded as their historicity can be easily doubted... makes no sense to me.
5) Many Christian groups, right from the first disciples, have repeatedly expected the Return in every generation and their expectation has been repeatedly frustrated. In my view something is seriously wrong when the most important predicted future event is repeatedly expected and such expectations are repeatedly proven fruitless.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

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Premium Member
Is Christianity defined by Jesus, or is it defined by the 45,000 different churches today?
It's defined by all those churches.

The opinions of Jesus - to the extent that we're even in a position to know them - might be useful to help decide what Christianity ought to be... but to figure out what Christianity is, well, we look at what it really is.

Edit: think about your own approach to other religions. Do you really stop to ask, say, whether modern Hinduism really is in line with Krishna's teachings before you call it Hinduism? If you think some aspect of the Baha'i faith isn't in line with Baha'u'llah's teachings, do you say it's "not Baha'i"?
 
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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
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You left because others weren't following it? Now you are both in the group.

But perhaps am out of their group and their group was the church. Much like so many christians, they bend the faith to suite themselves

As it happens it's probably one of the highlights of my life, that narrow minded, restricted, judgment lifestyle is best left in church, i don't need it
 
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Dogknox20

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Jesus was a human. He died as a sacrifice to his God. That's a human sacrifice.
Rival Like I said..... Jesus died because of sin introduced into creation by Adam! Until Adam sinned the world was perfect!
The wages of sin is death!
Jesus GAVE himself for us to make up for the sin of Adam!

Jesus was not forced to die for us. He willingly did it out of love!
Yes it was a sacrifice but it was done one time two thousand years ago! The religion of today is; the worship of God who loves us!
It's worshiping a loving God!
 

Psalm23

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With exception to the older classics, will there ever be any Christian music that isn't mediocre to bland, again?

I love music and I don't care where/who it comes from.

I personally like the song Gentle Savior by David Phelps if you would like to check it out.
 

MatthewA

Active Member
Very interesting

And thank you each for all of your responses.

Me personally have no problem with God, and what the Son of God Jesus Christ was able to do for all mankind ~ in paying for the entire worlds populations sin ~ and being resurrected again by God.

My only problem for the most part of it is the confusion of what the purpose of the bible? Who was it for? When and who were written to?

People here are right about the Christian + Politics. ~

There are people who will be fanatics about sin. They will look down on others if they are not matching up to their self proclaimed - man - made standards. Sin was paid for and if anything sin has to do with heart ~ being mean, hateful, greedy, lustful, murderous, envy, and other things like that. Believe that for a believer ~ they die to those sins listed above ~ And live towards God in which the holy spirit is given that creates a life of - and fruits of Love ~ peace, mercy, forgiveness, forbearance, humility, kindness, gentleness, faithfullness towards God.


One thing to note is that as some may or may not have mentioned.

Just the fact, of people learning from others, and not really learning anything from the bible itself, and they just say things about this and that, but not understanding most of the new testament context and who it was written.

Us humans had to come from somewhere; and believe that God created each and every single individual soul; which was born here in this body we have of flesh. And all souls will at the end of life return to Him and be resurrected into a spiritual body.

Not everyone might believe or accept any of these things but the bible does that cross to most people is foolish to people who are not desiring to seek the truth about God, and Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 1:18) ~ In accordance to the Christian Scriptures.

There is also sometimes harsh language that was written by Paul; and it takes time to really dig and see what is being said especially in according to all the letters and writings which brings forth a fuller conception of what maturity of Christians will become. (The letters He wrote has specific messages to the first church believers to hold and attain ~ No one after this were able to do or ever recreate this type of Church)

There are things like Eternal Punishment; Everlasting Destruction terms; which haven't full grasped my head around though do believe; that anything we do normally that is bad, will cause destruction upon us in some way; but not kill us. Same thing with Punishment; maybe a person does something and they feel guilty for what they have done; maybe this is punishment.

I personally do not believe that the Christian God of the Bible is going to send all of humankind to hell who does not believe to be tortured and on fire forever. Though do believe that the Christian God of the Bible ~ (From my view of all of the history of the bible has been completed) Jesus Christ has overcame sin, death, grave, satan, she'ol, and the world ~ And the Revelation is completed in my stance in which.

All believer who are resurrected who made the choice to believe and have faith God inside the Kingdom of God and those who are not believers who had the choice to believe and rejected once receiving the truth are resurrected and placed outside the kingdom of God (Revelation 22)

Here are so my thoughts, along with sharing my beliefs, though no one has to believe or accept any of it.

Also would say that the bible is not authority (Nor myself) ~ Yet God Himself is, and as believers all believers are responsible for their very own individual faith ~ And it is a personal relationship between the believer and God.

Thank you all for your time and patience and all of your kind comments.
 

Dogknox20

Well-Known Member
Very interesting

And thank you each for all of your responses.

Me personally have no problem with God, and what the Son of God Jesus Christ was able to do for all mankind ~ in paying for the entire worlds populations sin ~ and being resurrected again by God.

My only problem for the most part of it is the confusion of what the purpose of the bible? Who was it for? When and who were written to?

People here are right about the Christian + Politics. ~

There are people who will be fanatics about sin. They will look down on others if they are not matching up to their self proclaimed - man - made standards. Sin was paid for and if anything sin has to do with heart ~ being mean, hateful, greedy, lustful, murderous, envy, and other things like that. Believe that for a believer ~ they die to those sins listed above ~ And live towards God in which the holy spirit is given that creates a life of - and fruits of Love ~ peace, mercy, forgiveness, forbearance, humility, kindness, gentleness, faithfullness towards God.


One thing to note is that as some may or may not have mentioned.

Just the fact, of people learning from others, and not really learning anything from the bible itself, and they just say things about this and that, but not understanding most of the new testament context and who it was written.

Us humans had to come from somewhere; and believe that God created each and every single individual soul; which was born here in this body we have of flesh. And all souls will at the end of life return to Him and be resurrected into a spiritual body.

Not everyone might believe or accept any of these things but the bible does that cross to most people is foolish to people who are not desiring to seek the truth about God, and Jesus Christ. (1 Corinthians 1:18) ~ In accordance to the Christian Scriptures.

There is also sometimes harsh language that was written by Paul; and it takes time to really dig and see what is being said especially in according to all the letters and writings which brings forth a fuller conception of what maturity of Christians will become. (The letters He wrote has specific messages to the first church believers to hold and attain ~ No one after this were able to do or ever recreate this type of Church)

There are things like Eternal Punishment; Everlasting Destruction terms; which haven't full grasped my head around though do believe; that anything we do normally that is bad, will cause destruction upon us in some way; but not kill us. Same thing with Punishment; maybe a person does something and they feel guilty for what they have done; maybe this is punishment.

I personally do not believe that the Christian God of the Bible is going to send all of humankind to hell who does not believe to be tortured and on fire forever. Though do believe that the Christian God of the Bible ~ (From my view of all of the history of the bible has been completed) Jesus Christ has overcame sin, death, grave, satan, she'ol, and the world ~ And the Revelation is completed in my stance in which.

All believer who are resurrected who made the choice to believe and have faith God inside the Kingdom of God and those who are not believers who had the choice to believe and rejected once receiving the truth are resurrected and placed outside the kingdom of God (Revelation 22)

Here are so my thoughts, along with sharing my beliefs, though no one has to believe or accept any of it.

Also would say that the bible is not authority (Nor myself) ~ Yet God Himself is, and as believers all believers are responsible for their very own individual faith ~ And it is a personal relationship between the believer and God.
Thank you all for your time and patience and all of your kind comments.
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MatthewA Good post with many questions...
I post scriptures!
I have to start here.... God is love! Loving God is to obey God' commands! Adam did not love God or Eve & Eve did not love Adam!

1 John5:3 In fact, this is love for God: to keep his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,

God commanded Adam NOT to eat of the tree!.. NOTE Eve was not yet formed, it wasn't until after the Command to Adam that God made Eve! NOTE: God did not COMMAND Adam "Do not touch the tree"! LOOK..
2 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”
Clearly it was Adam that commanded the woman not to touch! It probably went like this.. "Woman God commanded; don't eat of the tree, I don't want you to even touch the stinking tree.".
Showing us; Eve did not do her husbands will.. She did not love him! LOOK..

6 When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

MatthewA ... All men understand it is the job of the Husband to protect the wife and family from danger! All would understand the story; Snakes are bad! Adam was there with Eve and the snake, he did not protect her...!
God put the two together but he cannot force them to love.. God is love, to be made in the image of God, man needs to be able to freely choose to love!
12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.

They had to be removed from heaven because they sinned, they made freely a choice NOT to love!

I stop here.... But keep in mind Jesus is called "The second Adam"!
 
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