Your opinions on the U.S. border wall

[pearl]

Illegal border crossings have been falling since at least 2006. We do not need a wall just to pacify Trump's base.

Billions of dollars, which will be paid largely by the middle class, to aggrandize one man's ego -- while he permanently cuts taxes on himself and members of his own class.

Absolutely agree.

 

[tytlyf]

Amidst a government shut-down, I think it's time we discuss this potential wall, and why it's such a good or bad idea.

...Do do you or do you not support a wall on the U.S. southern border? Please explain your reasons.

There's already multiple walls on the border, not sure who told you the border isn't secure.

 

[tytlyf]

What difference does it make? Do we do a cost analysis on every dollar the government spends? If that were the case, the US taxpayer would have a few more bucks in their paychecks.

Check out the pentagon audit. My tax dollars being wasted by republicans and their crony corporations in the MIC.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Amidst a government shut-down, I think it's time we discuss this potential wall, and why it's such a good or bad idea.

...Do do you or do you not support a wall on the U.S. southern border? Please explain your reasons.

Neutral. Politically the wall is too little too late, because the war on drugs has had unintended affects in Mexico already. One positive is that it might save some people in the US Border Patrol. We've never had a secure border with Mexico, have under-funded the border patrol, have caused problems in Mexico by our war on drugs (through making drugs so valuable). These bureaucratic oversights are not addressed by the wall. The wall attempts to settle too many issues with one action, so in many ways its a gesture. It can help, but its too little too late.

 

[Jollybear]

Amidst a government shut-down, I think it's time we discuss this potential wall, and why it's such a good or bad idea.

...Do do you or do you not support a wall on the U.S. southern border? Please explain your reasons.

The actual workers, border control say a wall is wasteful and wont work.

Plus, trump said he was gonna make mexico pay for it, what happen to that promise? Lol

Even from a logical perspective, people will die in this desert crossing. And if they dont, the wall thats already there, they can crawl over or dig under. Or they will get cought by border control.

I think keeping illegals out is not as big a problem as he thinks.

 

[Shad]

Illegal border crossings have been falling since at least 2006. We do not need a wall just to pacify Trump's base.

Caught does not equate a reduction in crossings in itself. Less effective border security can and does lead to less reports and detainment. Ergo a distortion based on a nonsensical application of statistical knowledge vs unknowns.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't know, the federal government receives over 3 trillion dollars every year from us citizens in taxes. That's $3,000,000,000,000.00

If you include federal, state and local, it's expected to be 6.5 trillion in 2019.

Trump now says border wall could cost as little as $15 billion, pay for itself

How much of that tax revenue is free?

Building projects are notorious for coming in many times over budget.

 

[columbus]

It's better than talking about costs, which literally, it's free for everyone since they tax us regardless.

Not really.
It's called the federal budget deficit. The Wall is actually going to be paid for by the grandkids. At least your grandkids, I don't have any.
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[ChristineM]

This was approved and partially funded by the Democrats in 2006. They were all for it before Trump took over; this is not Trump's idea, he's just following up on the original legislation. The savings from the welfare paid to just a
fraction of the illegal aliens that crash our border will more than pay for whatever steps we take to stem the flow. But even if that weren't not the cased, we have a legal right to protect our sovereignty as a nation.

Of course you have the right to protect the sovereignty of your nation.

But can i ask, who will do the menial, low paid work that america depends on when the flow of those traditionally employed to shovel sh*t is stopped?

I only ask this because i ask the same of the UK brexit brigade who are most happy to prevent immigrants stealing the jobs that they consider below them.

 

[Curious George]

What difference does it make? Do we do a cost analysis on every dollar the government spends? If that were the case, the US taxpayer would have a few more bucks in their paychecks.

Well I thought we were discussing a problem. I think it would be prudent to move forward with the well thought out solution. The best you have given me is well if this wall does x then we may pay for the initial investment. By saving hypothetical money we would ve spendimg based on an estimate of how much an illegal costs the U.S. over a lifetime.

If we can spend half as much on a different solution and get twice the benefit, then that would be a much better way to proceed. Is it too much to ask that we move forward with imformed opinions?

The problem, x number of people want to enter the U.S. illegally. A wall is not going to reduce that number. People will continue to attempt to get here illegally. If illegal immigration in its current state is something we ought to address as a major issue, which I am not sure that it is, then we might as well address it well.

As we are not discussing any way to reduce the number of people who want to come to the U.S. then we are going to need more and more security measures at the wall. This is largely because when people hit an obstacle they try to fimd ways to surmount that obstacle. So, the solution will have to entail somethimg that is either cost prohibitive or incentive reducing. A wall is neither.

I think that forcing businesses to validate employees would go much further while costing less. I think that lookimg into the cost benefit of higher tech solutions, additional personnel, and strategic placement of infrastructure is something worth investigating.

 

[Cooky]

The actual workers, border control say a wall is wasteful and wont work.

Plus, trump said he was gonna make mexico pay for it, what happen to that promise? Lol

Even from a logical perspective, people will die in this desert crossing. And if they dont, the wall thats already there, they can crawl over or dig under. Or they will get cought by border control.

I think keeping illegals out is not as big a problem as he thinks.

Border Patrol agents back Trump wall, survey finds

 

[Curious George]

Caught does not equate a reduction in crossings in itself. Less effective border security can and does lead to less reports and detainment. Ergo a distortion based on a nonsensical application of statistical knowledge vs unknowns.

Obama caught more, the most, I believe.

 

[BSM1]

Of course you have the right to protect the sovereignty of your nation.

But can i ask, who will do the menial, low paid work that america depends on when the flow of those traditionally employed to shovel sh*t is stopped?

I only ask this because i ask the same of the UK brexit brigade who are most happy to prevent immigrants stealing the jobs that they consider below them.

This is one of the biggest fallacies ever invented.

 

[Cooky]

The problem, x number of people want to enter the U.S. illegally. A wall is not going to reduce that number.

That's factually incorrect according to the professionals -the border patrol agents themselves and the National Border Patrol Counsel.

 

[youknowme]

Border Patrol agents back Trump wall, survey finds

Their reference link is to themselves, where is the actual survey?

 

[Cooky]

This is one of the biggest fallacies ever invented.

Funny how the same lies are international, isn't it?

 

[Curious George]

What if we chip caught illegal immigrants over the age of 21?

 

[Curious George]

That's factually incorrect according to the professionals -the border patrol agents themselves and the National Border Patrol Counsel.

You think a wall will deter a want?

 

[Cooky]

Their reference link is to themselves, where is the actual survey?

Are you honestly suggesting the Washington Times is printing fake news?

The NBPC’s survey, of more than 600 agents in two of the Border Patrol’s busiest sectors, found just the opposite: A stunning 89 percent of line agents say a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” Just 7 percent disagreed.

 

[Curious George]

Are you honestly suggesting the Washington Times is printing fake news?

The NBPC’s survey, of more than 600 agents in two of the Border Patrol’s busiest sectors, found just the opposite: A stunning 89 percent of line agents say a “wall system in strategic locations is necessary to securing the border.” Just 7 percent disagreed.

A wall system at strategic locations? Don't we already have that?