Your Political Status

[Gargovic Malkav]

I would put “Who cares? Everyone in charge has their own agenda”

And when they don't, they will be disliked for being indecisive leaders.

 

[SomeRandom]

Gotta confess, I might steal that one because it's hilarious.

Lol go for it

 

[Valjean]

"Elect President John Adams Again"

There's nothing in the Constitution that says a president must be alive during the election process. So what happens then is that the moment the dead president is elected, their VP becomes president. Its never been done, so I think we should try it. I think we should run John Adams, because he is one of the most popular deceased presidents.

Maybe we should staff congress with the deceased, as well.

 

[Heyo]

Maybe we should staff congress with the deceased, as well.

You'll get there. Half of the members are almost there anyway.
Congress Members average age U.S. 2023 | Statista

 

[Rival]

Left Egyptian Monotheism behind?

It's complicated.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Leftist degenerate

You're Australian. The degenerate part is inferred.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

The problem with "centrist" is that the center won't stand still, as exchemist pointed out. Here in the states, it's been shifting to the right for several decades, so that yesterday's conservative would be labeled liberal by many, today.
"Extremist" is also problematic, for much the same reason.

Serious Q: What leftist policies would you consider extreme, today?

You're assuming centrist means 'halfway between Left and Right' but that is not what all Centrists mean. Certainly not what I would mean.

 

[Valjean]

You're assuming centrist means 'halfway between Left and Right' but that is not what all Centrists mean. Certainly not what I would mean.

My bad, then. Please clarify.

 

[SomeRandom]

You're Australian. The degenerate part is inferred.

Ahh true

 

[lewisnotmiller]

My bad, then. Please clarify.

Nope, not your bad. Some Centrists do mean it as you've suggested. Just not all.

I don't really fit well into this bucket, as I'm somewhat left leaning in many ways, and definitions are tricky, but this is somewhat akin to my thinking...

As a result of this process of truth seeking, the Radical Centrist often finds themselves in the middle in between two political extremes. However, this does not mean the Radical Centrist is necessarily in favor of moderation. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. famously warned of the moderate who is, “more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.” The Radical Centrist agrees and must carefully balance the centrist with the radical.

Opponents might imply that the Radical Centrist “splits the difference” and thus lacks any values or ideas of their own. These critics believe that Radical Centrism creates a false equivalence between the two sides of a political debate (which, inevitably, their particular side is of course always right and righteous). However, the Radical Centrist does not subscribe to this “Aristotelian Mean” type of thinking. The essence of free thinking is not averaging. Rather, Radical Centrism is a process—a Socratic process of engagement, discussion, and debate in pursuit of truth. The Radical Centrist is equally prepared to accept that the truth is in the center or that it is not.

Source : 10 Steps to Becoming a Radical Centrist

Please note, I'm not standing by everything in that article. The bit I quoted makes sense to me though.

 

[Secret Chief]

Leftist degenerate

Excellent

 

[Mock Turtle]

New Communist - whatever that might mean - and just to annoy.

 

[Revoltingest]

We could just measure people by how often they agree with me.
That can work across all dimensions.
Religion, politics, briefs vs boxers, favourite Spice Girl, etc.

Skank Spice?

 

[F1fan]

This is sort of how I identify politically. Philosophically, I believe that humans do best when they are free to make their own choices but must consider the consequences of these actions. I believe this works best in small communities.

Even that is pretty tough. My dad was a mayor in a small Missouri town of 12,000 and back during the pandemic they tried to pass on mask mandates. They got away with it for many months being so remote, but eventually the pandemic found them too, and as their hopital got filled with patients, and many had to be transferred to Springfield, if they had room, the city council had to vote on the mandate. It was 3 to 3 and my dad was the deciding vote, and he voted to impose a mandate, even as a republican. He got threats immediately. He got a death threat by someone he had known for 3 decades, and that was it. He decided to resign once a new election was set up. The city manager also resigned with him. He didn't need that crap. These small Missouri towns are very conservative and once people started getting sick there was a price to pay. My stepmom and dad caught Covid eventually and she came very close to dying from it. They are both pretty far right in their political beliefs. They have no idea I am a bleeding heart liberal.

However, in our modern world where we continue to expand both in population and technology, I think some sort of Democratic-socialism makes the most practical sense.

I would argue that anyone who isn't an anarchist will be a socialist to some degree. Even the far right wingers stll want schools and police, and those are social as they tax citizens as a pool of money to provide services to citizens. For as much as republicans try to attack socialism in the end they support policies that are socialist.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Even that is pretty tough. My dad was a mayor in a small Missouri town of 12,000 and back during the pandemic they tried to pass on mask mandates. They got away with it for many months being so remote, but eventually the pandemic found them too, and as their hopital got filled with patients, and many had to be transferred to Springfield, if they had room, the city council had to vote on the mandate. It was 3 to 3 and my dad was the deciding vote, and he voted to impose a mandate, even as a republican. He got threats immediately. He got a death threat by someone he had known for 3 decades, and that was it. He decided to resign once a new election was set up. The city manager also resigned with him. He didn't need that crap. These small Missouri towns are very conservative and once people started getting sick there was a price to pay. My stepmom and dad caught Covid eventually and she came very close to dying from it. They are both pretty far right in their political beliefs. They have no idea I am a bleeding heart liberal.

This small community is still a part of the "...modern world where we continue to expand both in population and technology." The politically-driven propaganda about mask use is as easily disseminated as infectious viruses from all over the world. That's not to suggest there aren't problems with small communities and how a Libertarian philosophy could lead to negative consequences, but that doesn't change my view that people ought to be free to make choices as long as they accept the consequences. That includes how communities respond to their choices. For instance, if I decide to cut all the trees down in a woodlot for my own wood-needs, I may need to accept that other community members aren't going to get angry and take my wood because they also need it.

If I get a bunch of people sick after refusing to even try to take precautionary measures to not do so, I need to accept the response of the community.

I would argue that anyone who isn't an anarchist will be a socialist to some degree. Even the far right wingers stll want schools and police, and those are social as they tax citizens as a pool of money to provide services to citizens. For as much as republicans try to attack socialism in the end they support policies that are socialist.

I agree!

 

[Revoltingest]

I would argue that anyone who isn't an anarchist will be a socialist to some degree. Even the far right wingers stll want schools and police, and those are social as they tax citizens as a pool of money to provide services to citizens. For as much as republicans try to attack socialism in the end they support policies that are socialist.

Schools aren't the "means of production".
(Check your dictionary for what that means.)
By your extremely broad definition of "socialism",
USA & all of its politicians are very socialist.
By your definition, even I am a socialist.

You & your ilk make the term meaningless.

 

[F1fan]

Schools aren't the "means of production".
(Check your dictionary for what that means.)
By your extremely broad definition of "socialism",
USA & all of its politicians are very socialist.
By your definition, even I am a socialist.

You & your ilk make the term meaningless.

You know what I meant. The way the goalposts are moving around the word Socialism you’d think they’re getting ready to run a marathon.

 

[Revoltingest]

You know what I meant. The way the goalposts are moving around the word Socialism you’d think they’re getting ready to run a marathon.

At least the perverted definitions are one
thing the left & right can agree on. Only
the motives differ....one to demonized,
the other to idealize.
It's interesting that the left is increasingly
using "capitalist" & "corporation" as slurs
much as the right uses "socialist".

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Skank Spice?

Old Spice

 

[Valjean]

Schools aren't the "means of production".
(Check your dictionary for what that means.)
By your extremely broad definition of "socialism",
USA & all of its politicians are very socialist.
By your definition, even I am a socialist.

You & your ilk make the term meaningless.

But such a broad definition is how American social democrats are currently using it. Any tools or facilities used in the production of a product can be means of production.
Technical terms always morph when they escape academia into the general circulation. They're often used in less-than-technically-accurate ways.
Pretending "socialism" or "means of production" refer to something more technical risks misunderstanding their users' meaning. You risk constructing a political straw man.