Zionism

[Flankerl]

At the same time, if the Jews gave up that piece of land and lived amongst the rest of the world the Arabs would be peaceful as well.

Yeah tell that to the old-anti zionist yishuv of Hebron.

 

[1robin]

Again, it's not the fact that they hold the land that bothers me. It's the fact that they feel they must justify it. If the Israelis would just admit to being conquerors and let go of the pretentious claim that have some right (God-given, ancestral, or otherwise) to the land I would have no issues at all. I don't know how many times I have to say that.

They control some of the most contested land in history. Is it any wonder they must defend their right to it constantly? They did not get the land by conquering it? Why would they claim they have? The only land they acquired by force they gave most back? The small amount they kept is only because they have been attacked from it and if given back would be again? Israel was not a conquest it was mandate.

I didn't say I agree with their ideals or find them in the right. I said it is admirable that someone would die fighting for something they believe in, regardless of the cause.

There is nothing honorable about defending what is wrong nor resisting what is right.

And again, I don't believe in morals; if I don't agree with something I won't take part in it. I don't believe it's my place to tell other people what they should or shouldn't do. People sure do love putting words in my mouth...

They were offered more land than they now have. When refused they gave up any moral high ground possible.

I never said I was a Palestinian supporter, in fact I've told you I'm not already. And I certainly wouldn't object to evacuating civilians from a hospital that's about to be leveled. You're right, it is meaningless to predict what I would do. You've failed conclusively so far...

The Jewish people cannot force a hospital to be evacuated inside another country. It's the most honorable Muslims who use human shields. Nor can Israel just sit by and let missiles be launched from schools and mosques. They must respond even if the despicable people using those buildings will not evacuate them. That is not even remotely the same as targeting women and children who are no threat nor collateral damage.

I don't view the "seven deadly sins" as sins at all; I think they are the seven qualities that most define us as human. I've proudly been "guilty" of all of them at one point or another, and actually have them tattooed on me as a testament to my humanity.

You have been pretty much backwards on everything else I guess sin should be no exception. Nothing produces more suffering than pride, power, lust, and greed but apparently you think that a good thing. No wonder this world is condemned.

 

[1robin]

Although I agree with most of the statements in between your first and last statements, those two statements almost entirely dismiss the credibility of everything you said in between them.

I do not get that.

So you call the Native Americans stupid for resisting European Colonialism.

I said some were and I am an Indian so I have the opposite bias if any. However none of this matters because most of those "honorable" Indian terrorist organizations arrived here and killed off other Indian tribes from Canada not long before whites arrived and offered no money, did not ask for anything, and killed the tribes in their way completely off . That is more true the further west you go. The only complaint the Midwestern Indians actually were entitled to was that Europeans were better at killing their fellow man than they were.

Do you honestly believe that Native Americans did not have places of learning, healing centers, and industry before Europeans arrived.

Not equivalent ones. The slightest cold or virus and thousands were wiped out. If you consider shamanism a medical profession then I can only disagree.

European hospitals were only needed because Europeans brought European diseases.

They had the same hospitals in Europe so that is silly. However they did unintentionally bring some new germs to the Americas.

Schools were only needed because Europeans forced their own type of Education on Native Americans.

That and industry, economics, trade, standardization, unity, advancement, production, medicine, communication, mobility, and etc. times ad infinitum.

And is for industry, I see many things industry has done to negatively affect the world including pollution, exploitation of common people, disease, and to many other things to list. The only thing I can think of that industry has done positively is make a few individuals rich.

That and feed, cloth, and treat a population grown way to large to take care of its self without it.

And to say that Christians don't spit in the face of people of people who believe differently then them is laughable.

I never said they didn't. I said that within my context they were the ones who did resist it. Christian's have their share of wrongful actions but they have more than their share of good actions and not returning sin for sin.

Do you know how many people have been killed innocently in the name of Christianity?

Atheist Stalin alone (of the many genocidal atheistic dictators) killed more than every religious war, crusade, inquisition, or conquest (minus small pox) in history added together.

 

[Juhurka]

Only because the Jews have more money and guns. You think that'll last forever?

Jews kicked the centuries old inhabitants of Palestine out. With no proof of actual ancestry to the land.

Rome used to be an empire once but fell. Israel will one day fall.

Last time I checked it is the Arabs who owen 1/6 of the world wealth and yet again it is the Jews who are rich, this is the reason why you Arabs always loose. Constant finger pointing, you people are not angels, you are not any better or worse then anybody else, your faults are your own mistakes. Look in the mirror and point that finger at your self maybe than you can get a clue.

Jews did not kick old inhabitants out of Palestine, Jews are the old inhabitants of that land. As I have privously mentioned, why don't you point the finger at your self first and start with all the land that Arabs conquered by giving back Tunis, Morocco, Algeria, Pakistan who by the way in 1948 claimed independence and slaughtered one million Hindus and expelled another 12 million because they did not convert, what about Saudi Arabia, did you ask your self why and how did it get the name Saudia? Lead by example and maybe afterwards you can tell others where to live.

By the way, your claim that Arabs lived there for centuries until Jews kicked them out is a complete BS.

 

[Juhurka]

if the Jews gave up that piece of land and lived amongst the rest of the world the Arabs would be peaceful as well.

Hint: Gaza, did Jews get peace or rockets? Or you can tell that to the 650,000 Jews who were kicked out of Arab lands, they lived in the desert in tents without basic stuff like water. Did Israel keep their brothers in the desert to point fingers at Arabs? It would be only fare to return 650,000 Arabs from Israel to Arab lands.

 

[Assad91]

For one, I am not an Arab.

Jews did not kick old inhabitants out of Palestine, Jews are the old inhabitants of that land.

That is silly. I guess you don't like reality. Majority of Jews haven't lived in Palestine in centuries. Instead its been Europe, Africa and small communities elsewhere. Thats why Netanyahu looks more like a Russian rather than a man from Middle East lol

 

[Juhurka]

For one, I am not an Arab.
That is silly. I guess you don't like reality. Majority of Jews haven't lived in Palestine in centuries. Instead its been Europe, Africa and small communities elsewhere. Thats why Netanyahu looks more like a Russian rather than a man from Middle East lol

Its not for you to judge (especially if you are not Arab) who looks like Russian or anybody else especially considering the fact you have ignored everything I said and again pointed your finger.

 

[Assad91]

Its not for you to judge (especially if you are not Arab) who looks like Russian or anybody else especially considering the fact you have ignored everything I said and again pointed your finger.

Lol I am of Russian descent. I know what Russians look like. Netanyahu looks more Russian than semetic. And I bet you do as well lol

 

[Assad91]

And I didn't ignore everything you wrote. I already pointed out the lies you wrote. Especially the silly lie of trying to say the Jews inhabitated Palestine for centuries before zionism

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

They control some of the most contested land in history. Is it any wonder they must defend their right to it constantly? They did not get the land by conquering it? Why would they claim they have? The only land they acquired by force they gave most back? The small amount they kept is only because they have been attacked from it and if given back would be again? Israel was not a conquest it was mandate.

Whatever you say... Displacing people from their homes to build new settlements sounds like conquering to me, no matter who mandated it.

There is nothing honorable about defending what is wrong nor resisting what is right.

And you have the authority over what's right or wrong?

They were offered more land than they now have. When refused they gave up any moral high ground possible.

I never said anything about a "moral high ground". I don't believe in morals...

The Jewish people cannot force a hospital to be evacuated inside another country. It's the most honorable Muslims who use human shields. Nor can Israel just sit by and let missiles be launched from schools and mosques. They must respond even if the despicable people using those buildings will not evacuate them. That is not even remotely the same as targeting women and children who are no threat nor collateral damage.

"Collateral damage" means women and children who are no threat. There's no difference from an objective point of view; you just seem irreversibly biased towards the Jewish side of the conflict because your religion says you must be. God's "chosen people" are capable of wrongdoing just like anyone else is. There is no moral superior in any conflict.

You have been pretty much backwards on everything else I guess sin should be no exception. Nothing produces more suffering than pride, power, lust, and greed but apparently you think that a good thing. No wonder this world is condemned.

It's all part of the game; you're just as guilty of pride, lust, and greed as I am. You can stay on your high horse but you might break something when you fall off it.

 

[nash8]

Early Bioterrorism and Native Americans

Doesn't sound unintentional to me.

 

[xkatz]

Especially the silly lie of trying to say the Jews inhabitated Palestine for centuries before zionism

So you don't believe that Jews were EVER a part of the land? Even in ancient times?

 

[Assad91]

So you don't believe that Jews were EVER a part of the land? Even in ancient times?

Sure, a people called Israelites, or Hebrews were at one point. But the current majority of Jewish inhabitants? Not in the recent centuries. They spent the last centuries elsewhere

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Early Bioterrorism and Native Americans

Doesn't sound unintentional to me.

Definitely wasn't. The European settlers were very aware that they were spreading foreign disease around the Native American populations.

 

[Flankerl]

Especially the silly lie of trying to say the Jews inhabitated Palestine for centuries before zionism

You have got to be kidding.

 

[Juhurka]

And I didn't ignore everything you wrote. I already pointed out the lies you wrote. Especially the silly lie of trying to say the Jews inhabitated Palestine for centuries before zionism

Before Zionism? Zionism existed way before Islam appeared on the world map. Educate your self first and do not waste time on al jazeera propaganda. Jews living in the land of Israel is Zionism and Jews inhabited that land while Arabs were still nomads wondering the desert and worshiping idols.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Jews have in fact lived in that area for centuries, even during and after the Arab occupation. To say otherwise is ridiculous. You can disagree with Zionism, but don't deny history; it hurts your cause.

 

[Shermana]

Jews have in fact lived in that area for centuries, even during and after the Arab occupation. To say otherwise is ridiculous. You can disagree with Zionism, but don't deny history; it hurts your cause.

You will soon discover that nearly all of the "Pro-Palestinian" arguments rely on head-scratchingingly wacky distortions of the facts. Once the "facts" are properly laid out for objective reasoning, they have little less but even worse emotional appeals and entitlement claims than you blame the Jews for!

 

[Assad91]

Jews have in fact lived in that area for centuries, even during and after the Arab occupation. To say otherwise is ridiculous. You can disagree with Zionism, but don't deny history; it hurts your cause.

And how many?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

And how many?

How many what?