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[OneThatGotAway]

Have you ever considered that such an attitude is what turns many people away from Jesus? Jesus didn't judge. He welcomed all. He didn't turn people away for their sins (on the contrary, the "worse" the sinner the warmer he was towards them), and he didn't hate them for who they were (he seemed especially fond of the "lowliest" of people).
Don't forget, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. You are, indeed, not without sin.

I have considered the attitude that comes directly from the Holy Bible as a necessity to abhor evil and embrace good.
If we only hear the good messages of Jesus Christ and ignore his warnings; then there will be a lot of confused people out there when the seven angels do their judgements according to the Book of Revelation.
I have read five times where Yehshuo (Jesus Christ) himself warned his followers of a horrific judgement to come on evil doers according to the following Holy Scriptures:

"But the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." ---- Matthew 8:12
"Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." ---- Matthew 22:13
"And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." ---- Matthew 24:51
"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." ---- Matthew 25:30
"But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity."
"There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of [YAHWEH], and you [yourselves] thrust out." ---- Luke 13:27-28

So you see, when I read the Holy Bible, I am only taking into account the entire message of Jesus Christ and not just the happy parts.
In my opinion, some people who have turned and became Christians were not convinced and content with just reading only the happy parts of Yeshuo's The Messiah's Gospels and Revelation.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you see, when I read the Holy Bible, I am only taking into account the entire message of Jesus Christ and not just the happy parts.
In my opinion, some people who have turned and became Christians were not convinced and content with just reading only the happy parts of Yeshuo's The Messiah's Gospels and Revelation.

I am not taking just parts either. I am very aware Jesus gave warnings. But I am also aware that he did not even speak words of bitterness or hatred towards thieves, prostitutes, and even liars. If anything, the liars, whom some have said god hates, Christ seems to have let their (or more specifically his) own guilt eat at them/him.

 

[OneThatGotAway]

OneThatGotAway said: " And any Christian, whether he is a rabbi,..."
Shadow Wolf said: "Rabbis are not Christian."
OneThatGotAway said: "The ones in Messianic Judaism are most certaintly rabbis.
Some of them are Jewish born."

OneThatGotAway said: " And any Christian, whether he is a rabbi,..."
The Jewish community rejects them completely as not being Jewish. Perhaps your should check with a real rabbi. Particularly one the is Hassidic.

Actually, I did better than checking with just any rabbi:
I checked with Yahshuo The Messiah (aka Jesus Christ); he was born from the tribe of Yahuda (Judah).
Furthermore, I checked with other rabbis called Shaul (aka Paul the Apostle), Peter the Apostle, James, John, Matthew, pretty much all the writers of the New Testatment.
Yahshuo and his Twelve Disciples were all born from each of the twelve tribes of Yishrael.
And it is no surprise that the Jewish community rejected Yahshuo (Jesus) as their Messiah.
They also rejected any sons of Yishrael who embraces him including the twelve disciples.
Perhaps you should check with a real rabbi as well; because I'm sure Jesus and his twelve disciples were Hassidic too.

 

[OneThatGotAway]

There are indeed Messianic Jews that do accept Christ, and while I don't think there are many of them, I have not heard them refer to themselves as Christian.

They may not refer to themselves as Christians but the non-Messianic Jewish community surely call them Christians.
And they do almost everything Christians do except the include many Jewish practices and customs in their lives.
They most certainly believe in Yeshua (Jesus Christ) as the Lord and Savior; so that alone makes them Christians.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They may not refer to themselves as Christians but the non-Messianic Jewish community surely call them Christians.

No they don't. They reject Christ as the Messiah, they will tell you he did not fulfill prophecy, so why would they call themselves Christians? And no, they do not do almost everything Christians do, because they do not pray to Christ, nor do they ask Christ for forgiveness, as Christ is not their Messiah.

 

[Debater Slayer]

OneThatGotAway said: ↑
The God of the Holy Bible definitely hates homosexuals because homosexuality is a sin per the following Holy Scriptures:

So your god creates homosexuals and then hates them? What about compassionate, peaceful homosexuals who have loving, consensual relationships with each other? Does he hate them too?

 

[Mindmaster]

So your god creates homosexuals and then hates them? What about compassionate, peaceful homosexuals who have loving, consensual relationships with each other? Does he hate them too?

Damn, when did they have to start making sense? You know what's funny... I found a comic book version of the bible and it was much better than the real thing. Just saying..

Anyway, these guys are "sharpshooting" the bible and just making sure it says anything they want. I call BS... Because, that's what it is...

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No they don't. They reject Christ as the Messiah, they will tell you he did not fulfill prophecy, so why would they call themselves Christians? And no, they do not do almost everything Christians do, because they do not pray to Christ, nor do they ask Christ for forgiveness, as Christ is not their Messiah.

Huh? Messianic Judaism accepts Christ as the Messiah. Is there another Messianic Judaism you're thinking of?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I have considered the attitude that comes directly from the Holy Bible as a necessity to abhor evil and embrace good.
If we only hear the good messages of Jesus Christ and ignore his warnings; then there will be a lot of confused people out there when the seven angels do their judgements according to the Book of Revelation.
I have read five times where Yehshuo (Jesus Christ) himself warned his followers of a horrific judgement to come on evil doers according to the following Holy Scriptures:

"But the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." ---- Matthew 8:12
"Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast [him] into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." ---- Matthew 22:13
"And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." ---- Matthew 24:51
"And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." ---- Matthew 25:30
"But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all [ye] workers of iniquity."
"There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of [YAHWEH], and you [yourselves] thrust out." ---- Luke 13:27-28

So you see, when I read the Holy Bible, I am only taking into account the entire message of Jesus Christ and not just the happy parts.
In my opinion, some people who have turned and became Christians were not convinced and content with just reading only the happy parts of Yeshuo's The Messiah's Gospels and Revelation.

Jesus warning people of spiritual doom is not the same as saying that God hates any group of people. Remember that Christ taught to love even your enemies and to be perfect as your Father is in Heaven. So if God can't love His enemies, then He's not perfect by His own standards.

 

[OneThatGotAway]

No they don't. They reject Christ as the Messiah, they will tell you he did not fulfill prophecy, so why would they call themselves Christians? And no, they do not do almost everything Christians do, because they do not pray to Christ, nor do they ask Christ for forgiveness, as Christ is not their Messiah.

According to the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations they believe the following about Yeshua (Jesus Christ):

"Yeshua died as an atonement for the sins of Israel and of the entire world. He was raised bodily from the dead, as the firstfruits of the resurrection promised to Israel as its glorification. He ascended to heaven and was there enthroned at God’s right hand as Israel’s Messiah, with authority extending to the ends of creation. (Isa. 53:4-6; Ps. 110:1; Matt. 28:18; Mk. 14:61-62; I Cor. 15:3-8; Phil. 2-9-11)"

UMJC – Statement of Faith

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Huh? Messianic Judaism accepts Christ as the Messiah. Is there another Messianic Judaism you're thinking of?

His own words where the non-Messianic Jews refer to themselves as Christians.

They may not refer to themselves as Christians but the non-Messianic Jewish community surely call them Christians.

I know of not one single Jewish person, who is not a Messianic Jew, who refers to themselves as a Christian. I've not even heard of any Messianic Jews refer to themselves as Christian.

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Jesus warning people of spiritual doom is not the same as saying that God hates any group of people. Remember that Christ taught to love even your enemies and to be perfect as your Father is in Heaven. So if God can't love His enemies, then He's not perfect by His own standards.

I'm just saying that if God loves his enemies by sending them into the Lake of Fire; then I don't have a problem with that.

 

[OneThatGotAway]

His own words where the non-Messianic Jews refer to themselves as Christians.

I know of not one single Jewish person, who is not a Messianic Jew, who refers to themselves as a Christian. I've not even heard of any Messianic Jews refer to themselves as Christian.

But have you ever heard of a non-Messianic Jew (I did) referring to a Messianic Jew as a Christian?
If not, ask a non-Messianic Jewish rabbi.
He will definitely called them not Jewish but Christians; even though they are ethnically Jewish and\or once a Jew in the Jewish faith.
And I did not say (if I did, I stand corrected) that a non-Messianic Jew ever called himself a Christian;
I said that a Messianic Jew may not refer to himself as a Christian.
He may called himself a Jew who believes in Yeshua as the Messiah.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He will definitely called them not Jewish but Christians;

That doesn't make it necessarily true (that they are Christian because a group calls them so). A lot of people call Obama a socialist, but he isn't a socialist.

 

[Nada]

Oh, man. You, too? What a shame.

No,I am just showing you what God's word actually says.Not what many want it to say.

 

[JoStories]

I'm just saying that if God loves his enemies by sending them into the Lake of Fire; then I don't have a problem with that.

With a statement like this, you have the audacity to call yourself christian?? (not capitalized on purpose). I guess you must have glossed over those rules about compassion for all and loving all humankind. The actual teachings of the Christ have not had one iota of impact on you.

 

[Nada]

Not one of those verses says that God excludes homosexuals. Not one. If one wishes to take "wicked schemes" and interpret that to their own views, that is adding to the Bible and it is NOT what is written, or in other words; "a lying tongue".

No.You are actually lying to yourself if you deny that God truly says he finds it detestable.He says that in the holy scriptures.He says it is an abomination.

Abomination:a thing that causes disgust or hatred:
(dictionary)


Leviticus 18:22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Other versions use the word detestable.

Detestable:deserving intense dislike
(dictionary)

So according to God's word,He really does not like this homosexuality.He hates it!

Ps.If you read the comment I was responding to,the person said that God hates no one.I showed them that passage to correct this.God actually does hate people.Verse 19 in Proverbs 6 says it all.Your assumptions are incorrect.

 

[JoStories]

OneThatGotAway said: " And any Christian, whether he is a rabbi,..."
Shadow Wolf said: "Rabbis are not Christian."
OneThatGotAway said: "The ones in Messianic Judaism are most certaintly rabbis.
Some of them are Jewish born."



Actually, I did better than checking with just any rabbi:
I checked with Yahshuo The Messiah (aka Jesus Christ); he was born from the tribe of Yahuda (Judah).
Furthermore, I checked with other rabbis called Shaul (aka Paul the Apostle), Peter the Apostle, James, John, Matthew, pretty much all the writers of the New Testatment.
Yahshuo and his Twelve Disciples were all born from each of the twelve tribes of Yishrael.
And it is no surprise that the Jewish community rejected Yahshuo (Jesus) as their Messiah.
They also rejected any sons of Yishrael who embraces him including the twelve disciples.
Perhaps you should check with a real rabbi as well; because I'm sure Jesus and his twelve disciples were Hassidic too.

Actually they were not Jewish as they started a brand new religion that was not based on all of the Talmudic law. You may wish to believe that, which your right and I respect that but it doesn't make it true.

 

[OneThatGotAway]

OneThatGotAway said: ↑
I'm just saying that if God loves his enemies by sending them into the Lake of Fire; then I don't have a problem with that.

With a statement like this, you have the audacity to call yourself christian?? (not capitalized on purpose). I guess you must have glossed over those rules about compassion for all and loving all humankind. The actual teachings of the Christ have not had one iota of impact on you.

With statements like the one you posted, you too have the audacity to take my statements out of context?
Now why would I (or any Christian for that matter) would want Satan, his demons, and his evil followers on earth to continue their reign of terrors, tortures, and destructions on earth?
I guess you too would glossed over those statements in which Jesus Christ himself warned about the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
You who rejects and\or ignores some of Christ warnings has the audacity to question me on his teachings?
Please, at least have the integrity to acknowledge that his warnings exist before you talk to me about compassion for all mankind.
According to your line of reasoning, I would have been that government official that refuse to warn the people in advance about the demolition of twin towers prior to September 11; simply because I do not want to hurt their feelings and must instead show compassion by keeping silent on my knowledge of that situation?

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Actually they were not Jewish as they started a brand new religion that was not based on all of the Talmudic law. You may wish to believe that, which your right and I respect that but it doesn't make it true.

You are correct in that Yahshuo (Jesus) and his disciples did not follow the Talmudic Law of the Pharisees.
Therefore, yes, he is not a Jew according to the definition of Jewish Rabbis who follow the Talmud.
In fact, Yahshuo argued against their man-made laws which were trumping God's laws.

"But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?" ---- Matthew 15:3

"And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. [Talmud]"
"For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:"
"But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, [It is] Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; [he shall be free]." ---- Matthew 7:9-11

In fact Yahshuo (Jesus Christ) traced his divine lineage (42 generations) all the way back to Aedam through Abraham and Yahudah (Judah);
so that definitely makes him a pure blood Hebrew and Yahudi.
And he kept the Laws of Yahweh (Torah) better than any Jew who have ever lived (or will live) on this earth.