psychoslice
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
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paarsurrey
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
The Holy Quran : Chapter 71: Nooh [2]
[71:11]“And I said, ‘Seek forgiveness of your Lord; for He is the Great Forgiver.
[71:12]‘He will send down rain for you in abundance,
[71:13]‘And He will strengthen you with wealth andwithchildren, and He will give you gardens and He will give you rivers.
[71:14]‘What is the matter with you that you expect not wisdom and staidness from Allah?
[71:15]‘And He has created you indifferentforms anddifferentconditions.
[71:16]‘Have you not seen how Allah has created seven heavens inperfectharmony,
[71:17]‘And has placed the moon therein as a light, and made the sun as a lamp?
[71:18]‘And Allah has caused you to grow as agoodgrowth from the earth,
[71:19]‘Then will He cause you to return thereto, and He will bring you fortha newbringing forth.
[71:20]‘And Allah has made the earth for you a wide expanse
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=71&verse=11
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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The Holy Quran : Chapter 71: Nooh [2]
[71:11]“And I said, ‘Seek forgiveness of your Lord; for He is the Great Forgiver.
[71:12]‘He will send down rain for you in abundance,
[71:13]‘And He will strengthen you with wealth andwithchildren, and He will give you gardens and He will give you rivers.
[71:14]‘What is the matter with you that you expect not wisdom and staidness from Allah?
[71:15]‘And He has created you indifferentforms anddifferentconditions.
[71:16]‘Have you not seen how Allah has created seven heavens inperfectharmony,
[71:17]‘And has placed the moon therein as a light, and made the sun as a lamp?
[71:18]‘And Allah has caused you to grow as agoodgrowth from the earth,
[71:19]‘Then will He cause you to return thereto, and He will bring you fortha newbringing forth.
[71:20]‘And Allah has made the earth for you a wide expanse
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=71&verse=11
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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paarsurrey
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In other our friends here confirm that the verses given in the previous post have not been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world?
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paarsurrey
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
The Holy Quran : Chapter 71: Nooh [3]
[71:21]‘That you may traverse the open ways thereof.’”
[71:22]Noah said, “My Lord, they have disobeyed me, and followed one whose wealth and children have only added to his ruin.
[71:23]“And they have planned a mighty plan.
[71:24]“And they sayto one another, ‘Forsake not your godsunder any circumstances. And forsake neither Wadd, nor Suwa‘, nor Yaghuth and Ya‘uq and Nasr.’
[71:25]“And they have led many astray; so increase Thou not the wrongdoers but in error.”
[71:26]Because of their sins they were drowned and made to enter Fire. And they found no helpers for themselves against Allah.
[71:27]And Noah said, ‘My Lord, leave not in the land a single one of the disbelievers;
[71:28]‘For, if Thou dost leave them, they willonlylead astray Thy servants and will not give birth but to a sinneranda disbeliever.
[71:29]‘My Lord, forgive me and my parents, and him who enters my house as a believer, and the believing men and the believing women; and increase Thou not the wrongdoers but in perdition.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=71&verse=21
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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The Holy Quran : Chapter 71: Nooh [3]
[71:21]‘That you may traverse the open ways thereof.’”
[71:22]Noah said, “My Lord, they have disobeyed me, and followed one whose wealth and children have only added to his ruin.
[71:23]“And they have planned a mighty plan.
[71:24]“And they sayto one another, ‘Forsake not your godsunder any circumstances. And forsake neither Wadd, nor Suwa‘, nor Yaghuth and Ya‘uq and Nasr.’
[71:25]“And they have led many astray; so increase Thou not the wrongdoers but in error.”
[71:26]Because of their sins they were drowned and made to enter Fire. And they found no helpers for themselves against Allah.
[71:27]And Noah said, ‘My Lord, leave not in the land a single one of the disbelievers;
[71:28]‘For, if Thou dost leave them, they willonlylead astray Thy servants and will not give birth but to a sinneranda disbeliever.
[71:29]‘My Lord, forgive me and my parents, and him who enters my house as a believer, and the believing men and the believing women; and increase Thou not the wrongdoers but in perdition.’
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=71&verse=21
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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paarsurrey
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In other our friends here confirm that the verses given in the previous post have not been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world?
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paarsurrey
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Thanks for your silent confirmation. Right?
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paarsurrey
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
The Holy Quran : Chapter 70: Al-Ma`arij [1]
[70:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[70:2]An inquirer inquires concerning the punishment about to fall
[70:3]Upon the disbelievers, which none can repel.
[70:4]It isfrom Allah, Lord ofgreatascents.
[70:5]The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years.
[70:6]So be patient with admirable patience.
[70:7]They see it to be far off,
[70:8]But We see it to be nigh.
[70:9]The day when the heaven will become like molten copper,
[70:10]And the mountains will become like flakes of wool,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=70
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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The Holy Quran : Chapter 70: Al-Ma`arij [1]
[70:1]In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[70:2]An inquirer inquires concerning the punishment about to fall
[70:3]Upon the disbelievers, which none can repel.
[70:4]It isfrom Allah, Lord ofgreatascents.
[70:5]The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years.
[70:6]So be patient with admirable patience.
[70:7]They see it to be far off,
[70:8]But We see it to be nigh.
[70:9]The day when the heaven will become like molten copper,
[70:10]And the mountains will become like flakes of wool,
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=70
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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paarsurrey
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paarsurrey
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Please prove that the above verses, from[70:1] to[70:10] have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link. Please
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paarsurrey
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
I have so far quoted following 46 full chapters from Quran in these threads:[Summary]
71. Nooh 72. Al-Jinn,73. Al-Muzzammil,74. Al-Muddaththir 75.Al-Qiyamah,76.Al-Dahr,77.Al-Mursalat,78.Al-Naba'79. Al-Nazi`at,80. `Abasa,81. Al-Takwir,82. Al-Infitar, 83. Al-Tatfif,84. Al-Inshiqaq,85. Al-Buruj,86. Al-Tariq,87. Al-A`la,88. Al-Ghashiyah,89. Al-Fajr,90. Al-Balad,91. Al-Shams,92. Al-Lail,93. Al-Duha,94. Al-Inshirah,95. Al-Tin,96. Al-`Alaq,97. Al-Qadr,98. Al-Bayyinah,99. Al-Zilzal,100. Al-`Adiyat,101. Al-Qari`ah,102. Al-Takathur,103. Al-`Asr,104. Al-Humazah,105. Al-Fil,106. Al-Quraish,107. Al-Ma`un,108. Al-Kauthar,109. Al-Kafirun,110. Al-Nasr,111. Al-Lahab,112. Al-Ikhlas,113. Al-Falaq,114. Al-Nas,1. Al-Fatihah.3.Aal-e-`Imran,14. Ibrahim.]
Our Jewish (or non-Jewish) friends have not been able to quote or reference places of Torah where verses of these forty six Quranic chapters have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from.
There being 114 Surahs/chapters in Quran. Number-wise this makes more than 1/3 of Quran.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth. " and some of the pseudo scholars also , link also provided by the poster, saying this; since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah or any other scripture.
Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original.
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I have so far quoted following 46 full chapters from Quran in these threads:[Summary]
71. Nooh 72. Al-Jinn,73. Al-Muzzammil,74. Al-Muddaththir 75.Al-Qiyamah,76.Al-Dahr,77.Al-Mursalat,78.Al-Naba'79. Al-Nazi`at,80. `Abasa,81. Al-Takwir,82. Al-Infitar, 83. Al-Tatfif,84. Al-Inshiqaq,85. Al-Buruj,86. Al-Tariq,87. Al-A`la,88. Al-Ghashiyah,89. Al-Fajr,90. Al-Balad,91. Al-Shams,92. Al-Lail,93. Al-Duha,94. Al-Inshirah,95. Al-Tin,96. Al-`Alaq,97. Al-Qadr,98. Al-Bayyinah,99. Al-Zilzal,100. Al-`Adiyat,101. Al-Qari`ah,102. Al-Takathur,103. Al-`Asr,104. Al-Humazah,105. Al-Fil,106. Al-Quraish,107. Al-Ma`un,108. Al-Kauthar,109. Al-Kafirun,110. Al-Nasr,111. Al-Lahab,112. Al-Ikhlas,113. Al-Falaq,114. Al-Nas,1. Al-Fatihah.3.Aal-e-`Imran,14. Ibrahim.]
Our Jewish (or non-Jewish) friends have not been able to quote or reference places of Torah where verses of these forty six Quranic chapters have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from.
There being 114 Surahs/chapters in Quran. Number-wise this makes more than 1/3 of Quran.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth. " and some of the pseudo scholars also , link also provided by the poster, saying this; since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
We can therefore conclude with 100% certainty that 0% of verses of these chapters of Quran have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Torah or any other scripture.
Quran is, therefore, the Word Revealed from G-d and authored by Him and is original.
Regards
paarsurrey
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paarsurrey
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Is Quran copied from Jewish Bible/Torah? : Quran did not copy from Jewish Bible/Torah
The Holy Quran : Chapter 70: Al-Ma`arij [2]
[70:11]And a friend will not inquire after a friend.
[70:12]They will be placed in sight of one another, and the guilty one would fain ransom himself from the punishment of that day byofferinghis children,
[70:13]And his wife and his brother,
[70:14]And his kinsfolk who sheltered him,
[70:15]Andby offering allthose who are on the earth, ifonlythus he might save himself.
[70:16]But no! surely it is a flame of Fire,
[70:17]Stripping off the skinevento the extremitiesof the body.
[70:18]It will call him who turned his back and retreated
[70:19]And hoardedwealth, and withheldit.
[70:20]Verily, man is born impatient and miserly.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=70&verse=11
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
Regards
The Holy Quran : Chapter 70: Al-Ma`arij [2]
[70:11]And a friend will not inquire after a friend.
[70:12]They will be placed in sight of one another, and the guilty one would fain ransom himself from the punishment of that day byofferinghis children,
[70:13]And his wife and his brother,
[70:14]And his kinsfolk who sheltered him,
[70:15]Andby offering allthose who are on the earth, ifonlythus he might save himself.
[70:16]But no! surely it is a flame of Fire,
[70:17]Stripping off the skinevento the extremitiesof the body.
[70:18]It will call him who turned his back and retreated
[70:19]And hoardedwealth, and withheldit.
[70:20]Verily, man is born impatient and miserly.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=70&verse=11
Please prove that the above verses have been copied/plagiarized/adapted from Jewish Bible/Torah or any other religious revealed scripture in the world by quoting from that book, the reference and providing the link.
Just impossible to do it.
Quran is authored by G-d, it is the reality.
In terms of the notion "Koran dated to before Muhamad birth."and some of the pseudo scholars also , link provided by the poster, saying this. Since Muhammad could not have plagiarized Quran from the old scriptures before his own birth, it must be thrashed out by the said pseudo-scholars, pseudo-history and the pseudo-science all together evidencing on top-priority as to from which old scriptures Muhammad recited the above verses verbatim.
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Tumah
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It would be an odd claim. Judaism doesn't accept the existence of prophets post early Second Temple period.It really is very plain and obvious for most. There should have at least been sources cited and credit givenNo different than me using a quote I like from a forum member on here while saying I actually received it through divine inspiration. One could go to the deep end and petition that the rabbi borrowed from was instead a prophet - so it was God repeating himself and not Muhammad or followers stealing teachings and stories from local Jews and Christians. None ever even suggest it though.
To me it is hand in hand with selectively naming Jewish and Christian prophetic figures while claiming every nation of the world had at least one. All the pieces of the puzzle show localized information cobbled together to form a campaign.
So according to Islam the Rabbi would be a prophet but according to Judaism he wouldn't be.
Tumah
Veteran Member
Deut. 11:13,14
Deut. 30:5
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Just as their faces are different, their ideas are different.
-Talmud
Seven heavens:
Vilon, Raki'ah, Shechakim, Zvul, Me'on, Mechon, Aravos
-Talmud
Jer. 31:34
Not sure what this means.
Not sure this needs a reference.
Tumah
Veteran Member
This basically just looks like the Noah story a little confused.
Except the part about fire I think was introduced because of the Midrash that G-d heated up the waters of the flood that ascended from the depths.
Tumah
Veteran Member
This doesn't need reference.
From the earth to the heavens is five hundred years
Each of the [seven] heaven is five hundred years
and between each heaven is five hundred years...
-Talmud
If you see the heavens are set like iron from not raining it is because of the deeds of the generation.
-Talmud
paarsurrey
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The oldest full manuscript of the Talmud, known as the Munich Talmud (Cod.hebr. 95), dates from 1342 and is available online.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud
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Tumah
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That's an interesting fact that doesn't seem to have any relevance to the topic under discussion....
Flankerl
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And yet Mohammed quotes the Talmud. Such cases.
paarsurrey
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Muhammad did not quote from Talmud.
Like Moses, Muhammad mentioned whatever was revealed to him by Yahweh/Allah.
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