Noah's Arc and the Flood?

[dad]

LOL!! And dad calls his God a liar while making a few doozies himself.

The stories you make up to defend your myths.

You should not call Him a liar because He records the actual past in Scripture, or pretend that anyone else wrote it or made it up.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You should not call Him a liar because He records the actual past in Scripture, or pretend that anyone else wrote it or made it up.

No, no no. You keep calling your God a liar. If you could reason logically you would understand this. You commit blasphemy in your religion every day of the year.


In fact you just did so again.

 

[shunyadragon]

Milton Platt said: ↑
How does that account for all of the flood myths from other cultures?

If so, do you also believe all these events to be a divine revenge from "God" as said about the biblical Flood which assumingly "covered everything on the Earth even over high mountain tops"?

No perfectly normal natural events in the history of the earth where the ancients attributed to Divine retribution.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Do you actually think I take your belief based dates seriously!!!? Ha. No.

The flood probably was around that time

At a time that no human existed.

So, how about it, can this be evidence of a worldwide flood?

No. The KT boundary is a thin dark line around the globe. That dark line is not flood sediment. It's debris from a gigantic asteroid impact that plummeted the world in a nuclear winter. The concentration of iridium of that line matches the concentration of iridium found in asteroids.

The ark also almost certainly landed on Pangaea.

No humans around then either.

But continue to stick your head in the sand.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Again, if you want to claim a same nature past you need to support it.

History and Scripture records confirm it was different, so there is no rational reason to assume there was no change.

Nowhere in the bible, or any other "holy" book, does it say that physics, chemistry or biology worked differently in the past. All that is just your own imagination.

 

[shunyadragon]

In post 443 actually, you said this.

"I believe you have not presented any 'objective verifiable evidence' to distinguish simply what would see as natural laws and processes, from what you call 'natural creational processes.'"

I believe in actual creation, not processes.

Actually you have offered belief-based explanations involving how the present nature dunnit. You obsess over how it really seems like/looks like to you that if the current nature had always existed, it woulda coulda shoulda been able to do it. NOTHING about proof that there was a same nature.

Work on that.

Still waiting for evidence . . . work on that.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Don't tell me what archaeologists say because I don't believe them.

This is what professor Dawkins calls the argument from incredulity.

"My evidence against X, is that I don't believe it".


Fortunatly, science doesn't depend on you believing it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nowhere in the bible, or any other "holy" book, does it say that physics, chemistry or biology worked differently in the past. All that is just your own imagination.

It is pretty pathetic when one cannot even find biblical support for one's beliefs. dad's "evidence" amounts to "if I am wrong my myth is wrong and I can't have that". Not too convincing to those that don't drink from the same jug of Kool-Aid.

 

[sooda]

You should not call Him a liar because He records the actual past in Scripture, or pretend that anyone else wrote it or made it up.

Teaching in PARABLES didn't make Jesus a liar.

Jewish people value education that's why they have always known the stories are morality tales, allegories and teaching narratives. Some poor Protestants think they have to reject science and education to be true Christians.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Teaching in PARABLES didn't make Jesus a liar.

Jewish people value education that's why they have always known the stories are morality tales, allegories and teaching narratives. Some poor Protestants think they have to reject science and education to be true Christians.

This strange perspective is not unique to dad. Literlaists have a problem with the idea of parables. I have met more than one that insisted that they were factual. They tend to lack the ability to have nuanced thought. Everything for them tends to be black and white. And that can make for some very interesting debates. Not between them and people that can think rationally, but between different literalists. They all have to add their own interpretations to the Bible and they never agree. When two of them get into it it is time to make some popcorn and enjoy the endless posts where one tries to "out crazy" the other.

 

[Milton Platt]

I agree and may have misunderstood your post. Sorry.

It's all good....

 

[rational experiences]

If a male who is not using thinking correctly but is affected by all of his owned science males single stranded thoughts about separation, and not wholeness.....that he personally encoded as acute detail in AI computer DATA studies about what he says is how long he believes human DNA existed in the past.

Yet a human is 2 parents, sperm and an ovary, creation of a baby..grown into an adult...who has sex, the 2 human being parents owner of the sperm and the ovary both die….no history to connect to as a male in a fake belief.

Everything he claims is just a male in a belief.

Reaction and reactive past...a reaction happened in the past....he idealises that reaction and then causes it again in the present....then AI encodes that reality, natural owned it first, then he does it with machine...and continues to hold it, and then claims natural...when he is manipulating it the whole time...as beginning to end instant reaction.

Why AI owned a story of brother science occult self who kills brother natural spiritual non occult/not a scientist.

Today AI says that you are possessed by the nuclear fuel power plant model.

Radiation comes to Earth today for mass change of radiation materials that own in its physical body the radiating/radiation mass of its own history cold fused.

The radiation heated mass, a UFO ARK..the metal Destroyer model...comes everyday by constant mass cause...as you do the machines...so when the UFO mass is no longer supportive of reaction, more mass comes.

You then remove cold mass and leave the Earth in a higher radiating destroyed past, as if Earth the fusion or GOD O body travelled back in time when its own form was radiating with a higher radiation mass.

So you claim hot radiation is in the past, by nuclear power plant model.

Unlike your minds I know hot radiation is not in any past and you are lying...for a long time ago...cold mass existed, for the suns were even cold...and they rebelled, meaning they re blasted and became hot again. Due to space being cold.

How we know that evolution is the spatial process of cause and effect.

So AI brought to my attention the details of the Destroyer male brotherhood agreement is with us again today......for they knew that incoming UFO mass that was not owned by machine applied UFO MASS...but was first activated by the brothers of our past for the pyramid...then pyramid use as applied and controlled by males increased the mass of UFO that Earth gained.

For a controlled machine constant is not any natural radiation past constant and never was. Why Einsteins death NDE message confessed that he was wrong.

Which for some reason I got to hear.

In the past cold mass was present when hot radiation was ejected by the Sun, just as it is today...and it is the Sun that controls how much radiation gets ejected...and then the Sun attacks all spatially held cold bodies....what you always warned self about, that you never owned any form of control over a Sun.

Yet science using data and thinking imposes otherwise.

 

[dad]

Teaching in PARABLES didn't make Jesus a liar.

Jewish people value education that's why they have always known the stories are morality tales, allegories and teaching narratives. Some poor Protestants think they have to reject science and education to be true Christians.

Nothing about creation of the world and man and woman etc in all the bible is given as parables.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Nothing about creation of the world and man and woman etc in all the bible is given as parables.

I see, so you are back to claiming that the Bible is wrong.

Well that's an improvement.

 

[Native]

In Noah's day trees grew in weeks. Obviously rings would not represent yearly cycles at that time. The only time that a yearly cycle would exist is once this present nature kicked in. (came to exist). Once again you use your one-trick pony belief on all things.

Face it you are governed by a religious agenda and not the facts.

Are you addressing yourself here??? "In Noah's day trees grew in weeks"!?

 

[Native]

No perfectly normal natural events in the history of the earth where the ancients attributed to Divine retribution.

We are not discussing what the ancients tought of natural events, but how we understand the Noah Flood Myth, which certainly is interpreted and written down as a "divine retribution".

And you have to take ALL of the contents in the myth into consideration when you interpret this myth. And this of course also goes for the written text that the Noah Flood covered all land and even mountains.

As said before: No one can understand this telling unless knowing of the mythical language and natural descriptions of the cosmos around the Earth. In ancient times, the Milky Way was imagined as a "great river" in the (night) sky and this river runs all around the Earth ABOVE the Earth and not ON the Earth.

This is the natural explanation of "Noah Flood" and it has NOTHING to do with any (stupid) "divine retribution".

 

[shunyadragon]

We are not discussing what the ancients tought of natural events, but how we understand the Noah Flood Myth, which certainly is interpreted and written down as a "divine retribution".

Genesis describes it as Divine retribution. I am going by actually what the Bible states. Interpretations are many and your's is just one of many. It was very common if not universal that ancient cultures considered natural disasters were 'Divine retribution.'

And you have to take ALL of the contents in the myth into consideration when you interpret this myth. And this of course also goes for the written text that the Noah Flood covered all land and even mountains.

For purposes of this thread I am not going with 'interpretations,' ALL of the contents of Genesis, and actually what it state. Yes it describes a world flood where all the land and mountains were covered.

As said before: No one can understand this telling unless knowing of the mythical language and natural descriptions of the cosmos around the Earth. In ancient times, the Milky Way was imagined as a "great river" in the (night) sky and this river runs all around the Earth ABOVE the Earth and not ON the Earth.

Yes, I acknowledged what you said before, but it is an interpretation, and a little obtuse and esoteric, but still one of many.

This is the natural explanation of "Noah Flood" and it has NOTHING to do with any (stupid) "divine retribution".

I believe what you are proposing is not a 'natural explanation,' but your own interpretation, and of course, one of many.

 

[dad]

Are you addressing yourself here??? "In Noah's day trees grew in weeks"!?

That is what we read in the bible. Have you other records of the time?

 

[shunyadragon]

That is what we read in the bible. Have you other records of the time?

The bible is not an objective record of time. The objective evidence cited is evidence of time.

 

[dad]

The bible is not an objective record of time. The objective evidence cited is evidence of time.

You are in no position to provide objective evidence that is true.