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[mikkel_the_dane]

Sorry - but the cat is out of the bag on this one - this used to be their argument - but no longer - and it was always a deception.

The concept of "gender" - outside of linguistics - is made up garbage used to confuse people to push some degenerate ideology.

Today - we notice how media and activists refer to Rachel Levine and Lia Thomas as "female" - not "woman".

They are claiming that "men can menstruate" or "men can get pregnant" or "women can get erections" - which are all biological functions - not social constructs.

The term "female" and menstruation, pregnancy and erections are not social constructs - but you wouldn't know that when reading headlines or listening to "gender activists".

And they are using this confusion to push for biological men to enter into fields that have always been decided on biology - not social constructs.

Women's restrooms, changing rooms, prisons, shelters, sports, etc. - have always been spaces and activities decided and set aside based on biology - not social constructs.

Yet - now the media and these activists are switching "gender" in for "biological sex" - which has always been their goal.

I liked your work in TBBT.

The term "gender" is being used in the stead of "biological sex" and it is being used to deny the reality that men are men and women are women and no one can change their biological sex or "gender".

Yes - these are deluded people who need actual help and compassion.

No - I am not denying that these people exist - I simply deny that their delusions are reality or that their delusions should be accepted as reality.

I deny the goals of the "gender activists" who are working toward social upheaval and the indoctrination of children.

Biology and all human history support my claim that men are men and women are women and it is not possible for a man to become a woman and vice versa.

My claims have been well and firmly established. It is those who demand change that need to prove their position - not I.

I accept that a person can believe that they are a member of the opposing biological sex or gender - just like how I accept that there are people who hold different opinions than I do.

But having those opinions does not make them reality.

I accept that whatever mental disorder a person who believes they are a member of the opposing biological sex or gender has can be harmful - because it distorts their perception of reality - and can lead to them harming themselves or others.

I also believe that injecting hormones and mutilating one's genitals is harmful and does not solve the underlying mental disorder - whatever it may be.

I actually want to help people - not take advantage of them to line the pockets of big pharma or push a social agenda or political narrative.

Would you accept science that shows that you can have e.g. a male body and a female brain?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Would you accept science that shows that you can have e.g. a male body and a female brain?

Never!! .

Okay, I lied. I used to opposed the idea of transsexualism until confronted with the evidence. And then I realized, what does it cost me to be decent to other people? My biases still exist, but I try to keep them under control.

 

[Sheldon]

There is no such thing as "gender" or "cis-gender" - there are only males and females - men and women.

You are a male - and nothing you or anyone else believes will ever change that.

You keep ignoring the fact that gender identity and biological identity need not be the same for some people. it is you who is denying reality, and you're obviously projecting. One wonders why it bothers you this much? If someone is suffering wouldn't you want to help prevent that after all?

 

[Sheldon]

The concept of "gender" - outside of linguistics - is made up garbage used to confuse people to push some degenerate ideology.

If you think gender is "made up garbage" then why are you so annoyed that some people identify as a gender that differs from their biological gender? I cannot comment on vague unevidenced conspiracies, but the fact of gender dysphoria does appear to be supported by a weight of objective evidence.

The term "female" and menstruation, pregnancy and erections are not social constructs - but you wouldn't know that when reading headlines or listening to "gender activists".

I'm not a gender activist, and can only speak for myself, so best to avoid this tangent.

Women's restrooms, changing rooms, prisons, shelters, sports, etc. - have always been spaces and activities decided and set aside based on biology - not social constructs.

I don't believe I mentioned this either??? So something of an irrelevant straw man, since we can surely help those with gender dysphoria without harming others, one assumes.

The term "gender" is being used in the stead of "biological sex" and it is being used to deny the reality that men are men and women are women and no one can change their biological sex or "gender".

Again this is a straw man, since I made no such assertions, on the contrary I quite specifically said that gender identity is an arbitrary social construct, whereas biological sex is not. You can debate such claims with those who make them.

Yes - these are deluded people who need actual help and compassion.

Another unevidenced assertion, and since gender dysphoria is real, and the medical evidence suggests so, why would I accept your characterisation of it as a delusion? It just seems like more circular reasoning to me.

No - I am not denying that these people exist - I simply deny that their delusions are reality or that their delusions should be accepted as reality.

Are you medically qualified to make such an assessment?

Biology and all human history support my claim that men are men and women are women and it is not possible for a man to become a woman and vice versa.

Biology does not support your claims at all, since we are talking about gender dysphoria, and the fact of a person's biological sex is not being disputed, not by me anyway, nor by anyone as far as I am aware.

My claims have been well and firmly established.

I don't agree, even in this post you have made several sweeping assertions that seem to be odds with prevailing medical opinion, and based on nothing more than assertion.

I accept that a person can believe that they are a member of the opposing biological sex or gender - just like how I accept that there are people who hold different opinions than I do. But having those opinions does not make them reality.

Actually the existence of something would make it real by definition. The existence of gender dysphoria seems to be part of prevailing medical opinion, that we don't fully understand why it exists suggest making sweeping unevidenced claims, as you have done here, dubious at best. Again one wonders why this bothers you so much, that you want to deny the reality of gender dysphoria?

I accept that whatever mental disorder a person who believes they are a member of the opposing biological sex or gender has can be harmful - because it distorts their perception of reality - and can lead to them harming themselves or others.

It isn't classed as a mental disorder, you're using a clinical term, again are you qualified to make such a claim that is it at odds with prevailing medical opinion?

I also believe that injecting hormones and mutilating one's genitals is harmful and does not solve the underlying mental disorder - whatever it may be.

Another circular reasoning fallacy, since you would need to justify your arbitrary characterisation of gender dysphoria a "mental disorder", that is how gay people were once labelled, incorrectly. Your initial claim is presented as a bare unevidenced belief, so again I must remain dubious.

I actually want to help people -

By labelling them delusional and as suffering from a mental disorder, and telling them their pain and gender identity is not real? Again I am fairly dubious.

not take advantage of them to line the pockets of big pharma or push a social agenda or political narrative.

Why would you assume I want to achieve these two straw men? Indeed why would you assume it of anyone who wants to help people cope with gender dysphoria? It seems like another unevidenced assertion you have simply used to beg the question that gender dysphoria is not real, and those suffering from it are (in your words) delusional and suffering a mental disorder, again these terms were used not that long ago to discriminate against gay people, ample reason to be wary I'd have thought, if you want to help people.

Or did you mean help people to be what you want them to be, rather than what they want for themselves?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You have used the term "cis-gender" and "gender" - which an actual "humanist" would never use - since they are concepts devoid of reason that create more problems for human beings - and proves that you have been brainwashed.

You want to deny basic biology in order to pursue a radical leftist narrative - you want to deny reality.

There is no such thing as "gender" or "cis-gender" - there are only males and females - men and women.

You are a male - and nothing you or anyone else believes will ever change that.

You need to assume that I am ignorant. It is your security blanket. Something to throw in my face after you are unable to answer simple questions such as, "What is a woman?"

In your thoroughly brainwashed mind there is no way that anyone could simply disagree with you.

Anyways - I am fully aware that there are a very minute number of people who have been convinced that they are not the "gender" they were "assigned" at birth - they are uncomfortable in their own bodies for a myriad number of reasons and they cling to the idea posed by degenerate perverts that they can be "fixed" by poisoning themselves and mutilating their bodies.

What I think is funny though is your claim that "gender" can "[rest] between [our] legs".

I thought that "gender" was considered a "social construct" - therefore - would have nothing to do with the biology found between our legs.

This is more proof that you are a victim of the "gender activists" agenda of confusing "gender" with biological sex - in order to get men to compete with women in sports and give awards to men that start with "First Female..."

We all remember what the headlines said about Rachel Levine and Lia Thomas - describing them as "female".

You want to deny reality.

When did being a "humanist" and caring about other people require us to throw away biological facts?

That is rich coming from someone who believes that their bodies should be "fixed" in order to make them into something they are not.

I am against the side of aisle that wants to indoctrinate children - convince students that they are "trans" without parental consent and pushing to pump children with experimental hormones and "puberty blockers".

All of the "gender activism" has been aimed at our children.

You believe that virtue signaling as a "humanist" is more important than actually helping people.

That is terrible.

A person is a totality of their being - which includes both their brain and their body.

Helping someone who suffers from delusions does not "extinguish" anyone.

There are a lot of people out there who have "detransitioned" because they realized that nothing they did to their bodies solved their issues.

What the "gender activists" are doing is experimenting on those they have brainwashed and that is terrible.

Just a small point -- your BRAIN IS A BIOLOGICAL FACT.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

You keep ignoring the fact that gender identity and biological identity need not be the same for some people. it is you who is denying reality, and you're obviously projecting. One wonders why it bothers you this much? If someone is suffering wouldn't you want to help prevent that after all?

Given his/her reply to me, I actually don't think another person's suffering, in this instance will bother @Fallen Prophet at all. It's not as important as what's between your legs, apparently.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Would you accept science that shows that you can have e.g. a male body and a female brain?

No such science exists. I am sorry.

Every brain cell in a male will have an X and a Y chromosome.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

You keep ignoring the fact that gender identity and biological identity need not be the same for some people.

I am not ignoring that at all.

What I am saying is that it is irrelevant.

Someone's subjective perception of themselves does not dictate reality or how society should view them or function.

it is you who is denying reality, and you're obviously projecting.

Nope.

Mutilating oneself to better match their self-perception is denying reality.

Trying to force other people - by peer pressure, political persuasion or law - to act as if they are the opposite sex is denying reality.

Defending facts is not "projecting".

One wonders why it bothers you this much?

Other than it being verifiably false?

How many students need to be indoctrinated by their depraved teachers before it should bother me?

How many awards or accomplishments need to be stolen from women before it should bother me?

How many people need to be harassed, fined, fired, jailed because they "misgender" someone before it should bother me?

How many women in all-female prisons need to get assaulted and impregnated by male inmates before it should bother me?

How many sexual assaults need to be covered up by county school boards to protect the "gender ideology" they are pushing before it should bother me?

How many people need to kill themselves because they are suffering from obvious mental disorders that are not being addressed properly before it should bother me?

How many people need to be experimented on by the government and big pharma - all while under the guise of civil rights and being paid for by me the tax-payer - before it should bother me?

How far should the family and the roles of men and women - husbands and wives - fathers and mothers - be devalued before it should bother me?

How many lies should I be told to swallow and accept as fact before it should bother me?

If someone is suffering wouldn't you want to help prevent that after all?

That is exactly what I am doing.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Just a small point -- your BRAIN IS A BIOLOGICAL FACT.

Correct.

And - because I am a male - every single brain cell I have has an X and a Y chromosome.

That is a biological fact.

Other facts are,

1.) You cannot answer the question, "What is a woman"?

Which is a simple question that every person could answer throughout all of human history up until like five minutes ago.

2.) You used the word "gender" to describe the "biology" between our legs because you are actively trying confuse "gender" with biological sex.

3.) You did not deny any of my accusations about children being indoctrinated and experimented on.

4.) You were unwilling - or unable - to address any and all of the points I made.

These are facts.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Given his/her reply to me, I actually don't think another person's suffering, in this instance will bother @Fallen Prophet at all. It's not as important as what's between your legs, apparently.

I don't want people to suffer.

I just think you and the "gender activists" have no intention of helping anyone.

You want people to continue to suffer - because it "proves" your narrative right.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No such science exists. I am sorry.

Every brain cell in a male will have an X and a Y chromosome.

That is an odd argument. Why do you think that the brain is affected by sex chromosomes?

 

[Sheldon]

Every brain cell in a male will have an X and a Y chromosome.

Foxes have tails, that's a fact, since we are introducing irrelevant red herrings.

 

[Sheldon]

I am not ignoring that at all.

What I am saying is that it is irrelevant.

So you can ignore it's relevance.

Someone's subjective perception of themselves does not dictate reality or how society should view them or function.

Unlike your subjective bigotry you mean.

Nope.

Yep..

Mutilating oneself to better match their self-perception is denying reality.

No it's not, see I can do flat denials as well.

Trying to force other people

I have not done this, nor have I advocated it, so it is a straw man fallacy.

Defending facts is not "projecting".

I never said it was, so another straw man fallacy.

Other than it being verifiably false?

It isn't, your bare subjective claims do not verify themselves.

How many students need to be indoctrinated by their depraved teachers before it should bother me?

Straw man fallacy.

How many awards or accomplishments need to be stolen from women before it should bother me?

Straw man fallacy.

How many people need to be harassed, fined, fired, jailed because they "misgender" someone before it should bother me?

Straw man fallacy.

How many women in all-female prisons need to get assaulted and impregnated by male inmates before it should bother me?

Straw man fallacy.

How many sexual assaults need to be covered up by county school boards to protect the "gender ideology" they are pushing before it should bother me?

Straw man fallacy.

How many people need to kill themselves because they are suffering from obvious mental disorders that are not being addressed properly before it should bother me?

Straw man fallacy.

How many people need to be experimented on by the government and big pharma - all while under the guise of civil rights and being paid for by me the tax-payer - before it should bother me?

Straw man fallacy.

How far should the family and the roles of men and women - husbands and wives - fathers and mothers - be devalued before it should bother me?

How are they devalued beyond your bruised ego, that your bigoted worldview is not shared by everyone else?

How many lies should I be told to swallow and accept as fact before it should bother me?

Well based on this exchange, I'd have to say you seem to have a prodigious capacity.

 

[Sheldon]

And - because I am a male - every single brain cell I have has an X and a Y chromosome.

So double digits then?

 

[Sheldon]

1.) You cannot answer the question, "What is a woman"?

It's a word we use to describe certain people.

 

[Sheldon]

I don't want people to suffer.

I just think you and the "gender activists" have no intention of helping anyone.

I think you're wrong, since we're exchanging bare subjective opinions.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Correct.

And - because I am a male - every single brain cell I have has an X and a Y chromosome.

That is a biological fact.

Other facts are,

1.) You cannot answer the question, "What is a woman"?

Which is a simple question that every person could answer throughout all of human history up until like five minutes ago.

2.) You used the word "gender" to describe the "biology" between our legs because you are actively trying confuse "gender" with biological sex.

3.) You did not deny any of my accusations about children being indoctrinated and experimented on.

4.) You were unwilling - or unable - to address any and all of the points I made.

These are facts.

Tell you what -- since you know more than everybody, please go and tell the American Psychiatric Association that they are all fired for incompetence. Then you make all such decisions for the nation going forward.

As for me, I'm done with you. Biological fundamentalism doesn't interest me any more than any other sort of fundamentallism.

 

[PearlSeeker]

So? What is a man?

The difference between man and woman:

A woman is a beautiful human being.
A man is a human being that is just a little more beautiful than a monkey.

Now seriously. By dictionary definition a man is an adult male human being.

What is a male human being?
1. a person bearing an X and Y chromosome pair in the cell nuclei and normally having a penis, scrotum, and testicles, and developing hair on the face at adolescence; a boy or man.
2. an organism of the sex or sexual phase that normally produces a sperm cell or male gamete. (dictionary.com)

I am aware there is a small % of anomaly. For example: normally people identify with their sex/body but there could be something (biological) in the brain that prevents so.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Your responses were...bizarre...to say the least.

You kept deflecting from addressing my points by claiming that you personally did not make the claims that I was addressing - but that is irrelevant because I was answering your questions - not addressing claims that you made.

You also use all the "gender activist" talking points - but when the absurdity of those talking points were pointed out you claimed, "I'm not a gender activist - so I don't need to address what you said about what I said."

You just tried to deflect from everything. It was weird.

Don't worry if all this is unclear - I'll show you what I mean.

If you think gender is "made up garbage" then why are you so annoyed that some people identify as a gender that differs from their biological gender?

I'm so glad that you said this. It will kind of set the tone for most of my responses.

My initial comments to you were claims that these "gender activists" have been trying to confuse "gender" with biological sex.

I said - among other things - "Yet - now the media and these activists are switching "gender" in for "biological sex" - which has always been their goal."

And you claimed - initially - that "...gender is a social construct, it differs from the fact of biological sex in at least that sense."

Yet here you are now using the term "biological gender" - wtf does that mean?

You are doing exactly what I claimed the "gender activists" are doing - confusing their concept of "gender" with biological sex - with the goal of manipulating society into believing that biological sex is a mere "social construct".

The proof is in the pudding - you used the term biological gender - an attempt to equate biological sex to "gender" - to make biological sex look like nothing more than a "social construct".

Even if you try to take it back - claiming that it was a mistake on your part - we all now know that you are so confused about biological sex and "gender" that in your mind you believe them to be synonymous.

So - to answer your question - I am annoyed because ideologues are trying to supplant facts with their "made up garbage" and they are pushing it on the rest of us - especially our children - which confuses them and will hurt everyone.

I cannot comment on vague unevidenced conspiracies, but the fact of gender dysphoria does appear to be supported by a weight of objective evidence.

Go read the headlines about Rachel Levine and Lia Thomas - go look at what the "gender activists" are saying about those two - they have both been described as "female".

There is nothing "vague" about what I have said. There is ample evidence - including your very own comment above - that supports my assertion.

This isn't even mentioning all the "policing" going around on social media and other sites - where you are banned when you use the correct pronoun to describe a male who believes they are female.

Or when you say mother instead of "birthing person" or you claim that men cannot give birth or that women cannot get erections.

It is hardly a "conspiracy" - you just seem to be living under a rock.

And what do you mean by, "gender dysphoria does appear to be supported by a weight of objective evidence"?

Are you claiming that there is a "weight of objective evidence" that there are people who believe they are members of the opposite "gender" or that those people are actually members of the opposite "gender"?

I never claimed that there are no people who are confused, uncomfortable or distressed about their biological sex.

Yes - those people exist - but I claim that they are not actually the "gender" they claim to be and that the methods used to alleviate their confusion, discomfort and distress are wrong.

All these "mad scientists" are doing is setting them on a journey with no destination - because they will never become the "gender" or biological sex they claim to identify with.

A man has no idea what it is like to be a woman and vice versa. You cannot claim to be or identify as something you are not - because you have zero experience being that thing.

The delusion is very real - but it remains a delusion.

I'm not a gender activist, and can only speak for myself, so best to avoid this tangent.

Similar to a "Christian" being questioned about the "Christian" doctrines they parroted saying - "I'm not a Biblical scholar - I can only speak for myself - I want to avoid answering any questions about the things I have said."

It makes it look like they don't actually know what they are talking about - and they don't want other people to realize this - so they deflect.

I believe it is possible that I know more about these issues than you do - therefore I am speaking about them in the practical - rather than the abstract.

If you don't want to talk about the ideology of "gender activists" - then stop entering discussions about the ideology of "gender activists".

Stop parroting their talking points if you don't know what you are talking about.

I don't believe I mentioned this either??? So something of an irrelevant straw man, since we can surely help those with gender dysphoria without harming others, one assumes.

This is bizarre.

You asked me, "Matter how?" in response to my claim that "a person's genitals do matter" when it comes to biological sex and gender.

This was when I talked about the media and "gender activists" trying to confuse "gender" with biological sex and the evidence I presented was men being introduced to spaces and activities that have always been decided by biology - not social constructs.

The fact that "gender activists" are pushing for - and succeeding - men to enter into women's restrooms, changing rooms, prisons, shelters, sports, etc. - is proof that they are trying to supplant biological sex with "gender".

So - no - you did not mention these things - but you asked me why "a person's genitals" should matter when it comes to biological sex and gender - and I answered that question.

It is not a strawman - it is a very relevant answer to your question.

And so far - all those with "gender dysphoria" are receiving harm - not help - and the ideology that led to this harm is spreading and is beginning to harm others.

Such as those women who are getting pregnant in all-female prisons and female athletes getting beaten up or being robbed of gold medals in all-female sports.

Again this is a straw man, since I made no such assertions, on the contrary I quite specifically said that gender identity is an arbitrary social construct, whereas biological sex is not. You can debate such claims with those who make them.

Again - I was answering your question - not responding to any claim that you had made.

You asked me, "Since gender is a social construct, a word we assign arbitrarily, how is it being used to deny reality?"

I answered that question by saying,

"The term "gender" is being used in the stead of "biological sex" and it is being used to deny the reality that men are men and women are women and no one can change their biological sex or "gender"."

So - even though you had not yet asserted that "gender" and biological sex were the same thing - that is irrelevant - because you were not asking me about any assertion you had made - I was not answering a question about anything you had said.

I was answering the question of, "How is [gender] being used to deny reality?"

Also - I need to point this out - you eventually did assert that "gender" and biological sex were synonymous with one another in your first question in your last post when you said, "biological gender".

You exposed your hand there.

So - thou dost protest too much, methinks.

Another unevidenced assertion, and since gender dysphoria is real, and the medical evidence suggests so, why would I accept your characterisation of it as a delusion? It just seems like more circular reasoning to me.

I don't understand - are you claiming that people who suffer from delusions don't have "real" mental disorders?

Gender dysphoria is a condition where a person experiences discomfort or distress because there's a mismatch between their biological sex and gender identity.

A delusion is a fixed, false conviction in something that is not real or shared by other people.

By definition - the belief that there is a "mismatch" between one's biological sex and "gender identity" is a delusion - because it is a fixed and objectively false conviction - it is not real or shared by other people.

Therefore - the "gender activists" set out to confuse the masses - to manipulate through wordplay and subverting our culture - mostly by indoctrinating our youth - so that the delusions held by those with "gender dysphoria" would by "[accepted] by other people".

It would be akin to a family agreeing with the delusions held by grandpa - that the lamp is really talking to him - rather than getting him the help he actually needs.

The family deciding to give in to his delusions doesn't make him any less delusional - but it might provide him a temporary sense of relief or comfort - at least until he breaks.

Society accepting the delusions of those with "gender dysphoria" doesn't make the delusions go away and it does not help them.

This is why the rate of suicidality in the transgender community remains so high - even after "transitioning" - because they are suffering from some kind of mental disorder that is no being addressed.

I never claimed that "gender dysphoria" wasn't real - only that there may be a myriad number of reasons for that discomfort or distress - and that the methods of treating it do not include poisonous hormones, mutilation and the overhaul of our entire society to accommodate their delusions.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Are you medically qualified to make such an assessment?

The appeal to authority fallacy.

I don't need to be a veterinarian to know what a dog is.

I don't need to be a meteorologist to know when it is raining.

A man is not a woman, and a woman is not a man.

That is objective reality.

You and the "gender activists" would rather us believe you than our own "lying eyes".

Biology does not support your claims at all, since we are talking about gender dysphoria, and the fact of a person's biological sex is not being disputed, not by me anyway, nor by anyone as far as I am aware.

Biology is the only field of science that can determine whether a person is a man or a woman.

If my bones were to be discovered a century from now - they could come to know that I was a man - based on my DNA.

No belief or delusion I had in my mind would change that.

You can talk about "made up garbage" all you want - and try to use it to supplant biology - but all that does is expose you as a science-denying "gender activist".

You used the term "biological gender" - so I believe it is clear that you believe that "gender dysphoria" somehow disputes a person's biological sex.

I don't agree, even in this post you have made several sweeping assertions that seem to be odds with prevailing medical opinion, and based on nothing more than assertion.

Again - I not only have all of human history supporting my claims - but all mammalian biology supports the claim that there are only the two biological sexes or "genders", and a male cannot become a female, a female a male, a man a woman or a woman a man.

In order for this "prevailing medical opinion" to supplant all these firmly based facts - they would need rock-solid evidence - but they don't have it.

All they have are "feelings", mental disorders, some hormonal imbalances and very rare genetic disorders to support the claim that not everyone's biological sex is easy to determine at first glance.

The "prevailing medical opinion" is based on nothing more than assertion - an assertion motivated by political actors and lining the pockets of big pharma.

And don't act like all - or even a scant majority - of scientists agree with this "gender activist" nonsense.

Any "scientist" who claims that a man is a woman or vice versa is a political hack and full of BS.

The only reason you can consider that opinion "prevailing" is because of the hold it has taken in our society - not in the scientific community.

You literally have nothing to base your assertion on. No actual evidence.

Actually the existence of something would make it real by definition.

What?

So the lamp is really talking to grandpa because his delusion is real?

A delusion is something that is not real - it is inconsistent to objective reality.

He may really have a delusion - but that doesn't make the delusion real.

People may really believe they are members of the opposite "gender" - but that doesn't mean they are a real member of the opposite "gender".

The existence of gender dysphoria seems to be part of prevailing medical opinion, that we don't fully understand why it exists suggest making sweeping unevidenced claims, as you have done here, dubious at best.

I never claimed that people do not have discomfort or distress about their biological sex - but they cannot identify as something they are not.

Again one wonders why this bothers you so much, that you want to deny the reality of gender dysphoria?

This is another "gender activist" talking point - "Why do you care? Why does it bother you so much?" - for someone who claims not be one - you keep taking notes from the "gender activist" playbook.

There are all kinds of reasons to be bothered by this ideology,

- It is simply not true
- It does irreparable harm to those who engage in it
- It is used to indoctrinate our children
- It is an attack on women
- It is an attack on the nuclear family
- It is an attack on society as a whole
- It is used as a tool to silence dissenting opinion
- It is used to push political agendas

The list goes on - but those are the first few that popped into my head.

There are real people who suffer from discomfort and distress about their biology - but that does not mean they are actual members of the "gender" with which they claim membership.

It isn't classed as a mental disorder, you're using a clinical term, again are you qualified to make such a claim that is it at odds with prevailing medical opinion?

The DSM has become so politicized it is criminal and there are many experts in various fields who disagree with the decision to no longer classify it as a mental disorder.

Another circular reasoning fallacy, since you would need to justify your arbitrary characterisation of gender dysphoria a "mental disorder", that is how gay people were once labelled, incorrectly. Your initial claim is presented as a bare unevidenced belief, so again I must remain dubious.

You would be hard-pressed to find anyone who suffered from a delusion - like believing that you are something that you are not - that was not diagnosed with some kind of mental disorder.

The only one I can think of are those people who have "gender dysphoria" - it checks all the boxes of being a mental disorder - and was classified as one for decades - but only when transgenderism became a political issue did they change it.

And again - using the whole "homosexuality used to be labelled a mental disorder" is right out of the "gender activist" playbook.

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with gender identity - so I don't know why you and people like you keep bringing them up as if they have any similarity.

By labelling them delusional and as suffering from a mental disorder, and telling them their pain and gender identity is not real? Again I am fairly dubious.

If these "gender activists" and political hacks want to change all mammalian biology, the history of human civilization and our society today - they are going to need iron-clad rock-solid evidence of their claims.

They just don't have it.

I don't need to provide "proof" that a dog is a dog, that it is raining when water falls from the sky and that the sky is blue - because everyone and anyone can see it for themselves - so my claim that a man is a man and cannot be a woman is not an "unevidenced belief" - but something all people can see for themsevles.

Why would you assume I want to achieve these two straw men?

Again - this is so bizzarre.

I was answering your question - not making any claim about you.

You asked me,

"Do you accept the reality that a person's gender identity can differ from the fact o the their biological sex? Do you accept this sometimes causes gender dysphoria and can be harmful?

If not, then why not?"

To the last question, "If not, then why not?" I answered,

"I actually want to help people - not take advantage of them to line the pockets of big pharma or push a social agenda or political narrative."

So - my response had nothing to do with you.

It was why I say the things that I say. Why I oppose the "gender activist" ideology.

That ideology does not help anyone. It hurts those who subscribe to it. It confuses those who accept it.

And all of it is motivated by a perverse greed. A greed not only for money - which they are making hand over fist - but to dominate the minds and wills of others.

I have read and seen many testimonials by those who "destransitioned" after they realized that what they had done didn't help them at all and that it was ridiculous.

Those "friends" who had initially convinced them to transition and supported them when they were miserable all of a sudden were no longer there.

Once they wizened up - they were abandoned by those "friends" - because they could no longer dominate them.

It is all a lie. A very harmful - civilization destroying - lie.

Indeed why would you assume it of anyone who wants to help people cope with gender dysphoria?

I assume it of those who are doing the manipulating - not those who have been manipulated.

It seems like another unevidenced assertion you have simply used to beg the question that gender dysphoria is not real, and those suffering from it are (in your words) delusional and suffering a mental disorder, again these terms were used not that long ago to discriminate against gay people, ample reason to be wary I'd have thought, if you want to help people.

Yes - I am well acquainted with your tired "gender activist" talking points.

The vast majority of minors diagnosed with "gender dysphoria" grow out of it as they progress through puberty - somewhere over 94%.

And I have seen cases where even though they were diagnosed with "gender dysphoria" - they were also diagnosed with something else - like autism - and when that was treated - the "gender dysphoria" went away.

And even after all of this - the suicide rate of those diagnosed with "gender dysphoria" remains incredibly high - something like 19 times higher than the average - and no amount of hormones or surgeries changes that.

Proving that the proposed methods for "coping" with "gender dysphoria" don't actually work.

Or did you mean help people to be what you want them to be, rather than what they want for themselves?

I want them to be what they are - not what "gender activists" and political hacks claim that they are.

I'm not the one making up new terms like "biological gender" to try and confuse people into accepting an ideology that has no basis in science or reality.

That will only hurt them and everyone else.