Disappointed in our bishop

[PruePhillip]

Can you provide neurological testing showing that their brains are cat-like? If not, they are bs’ing people, unlike real trans people.

It turns out this story might be fake news.

 

[Sheldon]

I agree completely with what the Bishop did. Kudos to him taking his job and position seriously and not being intimidated.

Why am I picturing crowds applauding parading Nazis at the Nuremberg rallies? Never mind, it just came to me.

 

[Sheldon]

I don't remember the Lord Jesus Christ raising anyone's flags

Well you weren't alive when the hearsay events described in the bible were purported to have happened, so naturally you'd have no memory of any alleged events?

 

[Sheldon]

What is the "spirit of inclusiveness"?

I don't think you would understand.

I didn't see that mentioned in the Bible.

Well neither is gravity or relativity or evolution, it does endorse slavery, and sex trafficking, and ethnic cleansing, and global genocidal floods, but hey ho.

 

[Sheldon]

All sinners are welcome to join them in worship in their churches - but the only flag they should be flying are those they believe God supports.

What was it you said, they can stick their flags?

 

[Sheldon]

So - no BLM flags flying above Catholic Churches.

Absolutely, why would they want to be associated with a global paedophile ring like the RCC?

 

[Sheldon]

Tax collectors, prostitutes, and sinners. It is the righteous who Jesus avoided.

Ah I see what you mean, but if it helps, he and the bishop are being self righteous.

 

[Sheldon]

It turns out this story might be fake news.

Gerraway, with your rigorous fact checking, eyeamstunned.

 

[PruePhillip]

Gerraway, with your rigorous fact checking, eyeamstunned.

No, saw it on the news somewhere. I don't spend all day 'fact checking'
In fact what I do might interest you - because I read so much news I know if anything particular pans out then it will continue to appear in the news. The sinking of the Russian missile ship recently sounded a bit fake. But the news kept appearing everywhere, so I took it as 'fact' without SCUBA diving to the bottom to find it for myself.
One news item came up 2-3 days ago. A long wanted Russian soldier, of Mongolian extraction, part of some military teams who brutalized people in Donbass and Crimea, was targetted by Ukraine. His death hasn't appeared on any news since the single day several outlets reported it - maybe fake?

 

[PruePhillip]

I keep banging on my drum marked 'Decency, respect and inclusion'.

Since the bishop uses doctrine to oppose inclusion, I'm not on his side.

Although I'd be delighted to see Borgoglio intervene on the side of the Good Guys, I'd also be very surprised.

Decency - required of a Christian
Respect - required, depening on WHAT you respect
Inclusion - I am wary of this - you can't 'include' mockers, adulterers, murderers etc unless they have repented. Many groups demand 'inclusion' not because they want to be in your church, but because they want to mock and challenge your church, ie, "I have married two twelve year olds and I demand your church include me and my spouses."

 

[blü 2]

Decency - required of a Christian
Respect - required, depening on WHAT you respect
Inclusion - I am wary of this - you can't 'include' mockers, adulterers, murderers etc unless they have repented.

You're allowed to use your common sense, so you can aim to include people who themselves include people (without being restricted to that). But in my morality you're not allowed to demand that they believe all you believe.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

So, the Jesuits there are not supposedly aware of this? What about recognizing people even if they have a different sexual orientation and/or race? Are all groups that don't 100% recognize Catholic teachings to be shunned?

How is not allowing a certain flag to fly "shunning" any people?

Did this Bishop claim that LGBT or Black people cannot enter Catholic Churches and worship with there?

Personally, I don't agree with some of their positions, but then I question many other teachings as well, including some within the Church.

Great - wouldn't it be a kick in the pants if someone claimed that you were "shunning" people just because you weren't flying a particular flag over your home?

 

[PruePhillip]

You're allowed to use your common sense, so you can aim to include people who themselves include people (without being restricted to that). But in my morality you're not allowed to demand that they believe all you believe.

Yes, this is yet another way to penetrate and destroy churches from within. In many countries now you can't exclude certain classes of people based upon religion, despite being a religious school, ie Cathollic school wants Catholics to teach, not a tattood atheist transgender lesbian. Generally such impositions are not imposed upon Muslim education centers. Interesting, that.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Tax collectors, prostitutes, and sinners. It is the righteous who Jesus avoided.

No - the Lord Jesus Christ didn't avoid anyone. There were plenty who avoided him though - because He did not support their false ideals.

And this Bishop never claimed that LGBT or Black people couldn't enter the churches and worship there.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Why am I picturing crowds applauding parading Nazis at the Nuremberg rallies?

Because you rely on logical fallacies.

Well you weren't alive when the hearsay events described in the bible were purported to have happened, so naturally you'd have no memory of any alleged events?

The comment I was responding to was about what Jesus supposedly did.

I don't think you would understand.

Try me.

Well neither is gravity or relativity or evolution

So?

it does endorse slavery, and sex trafficking, and ethnic cleansing, and global genocidal floods, but hey ho.

Really?

What was it you said, they can stick their flags?

They can come and worship in a Catholic Church - they just can't stick their flags there.

Absolutely, why would they want to be associated with a global paedophile ring like the RCC?

Ask them - they are the ones trying to plant their flags, a**less chaps, Astro glide and black squares everywhere.

 

[blü 2]

Yes, this is yet another way to penetrate and destroy churches from within. In many countries now you can't exclude certain classes of people based upon religion, despite being a religious school, ie Cathollic school wants Catholics to teach, not a tattood atheist transgender lesbian. Generally such impositions are not imposed upon Muslim education centers. Interesting, that.

Gently now, gently now.

I have friends who are RCC, friends and relatives who are Pisco, a Buddhist friend, friends with tattoos, friends who are atheists, one transgender friend, two lesbian friends, other friends. They're all smart and honest and moral and helpful. As is often the case with good friends, across my life I owe them more than I can readily say.

 

[PruePhillip]

Gently now, gently now.

I have friends who are RCC, friends and relatives who are Pisco, a Buddhist friend, friends with tattoos, friends who are atheists, one transgender friend, two lesbian friends, other friends. They're all smart and honest and moral and helpful. As is often the case with good friends, across my life I owe them more than I can readily say.

Those pilots who bombed Pearl Harbor - decent, moral young men, doing what they believed was right.
Fact is - 'moral' can be a lot of things. You can be 'moral' by being true to the 12 year old boy and his younger sister you just married.
You can be 'moral' by smoking but never inhaling, like Bill.
And you can be 'moral' to your country and its values by gassing Jews.
We need to be careful - we don't have absolute values anymore.

 

[blü 2]

Those pilots who bombed Pearl Harbor - decent, moral young men, doing what they believed was right.
Fact is - 'moral' can be a lot of things. You can be 'moral' by being true to the 12 year old boy and his younger sister you just married.
You can be 'moral' by smoking but never inhaling, like Bill.
And you can be 'moral' to your country and its values by gassing Jews.
We need to be careful - we don't have absolute values anymore.

But decency, respect and inclusion may not be beyond us ─ if that's how we see it.

 

[PruePhillip]

But decency, respect and inclusion may not be beyond us ─ if that's how we see it.

There are good and decent students shouting down those parents who don't want their own daughters sharing sports events, toilets and dressing rooms with boys. These students are challenging traditional notions of gender and parent's rights. They mean well. They are inclusive - no boy should be denied the right to be a girl and visa versa.
They can also be wrong.
Without religion you are god, and you make your own rules.

 

[Sheldon]

I don't spend all day 'fact checking'

Again I can only profess my wide eyed amazement.

That is masterful example of understatement, if I may say so.