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Historical Accuracy in Scripture

ChieftheCef

ChieftheCef

Active Member
lukethethird said:
If you mean that none of The Bible stories can be verified in any way and are far fetched, yeah, that's about it.
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That's how it goes with these propogandas disguised with some truth value. But it's interesting to piece them all together, find what's true about them and see what Science can verify, like mindfulness meditation, flow, and such.
 
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1213

Well-Known Member
metis said:
That's not how it works.
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Yeah, and then it is not a good and useful vaccine. When Covid vaccines where pushed, one reason was that they would also protect those who can't get the vaccine, by reducing infections of others.
metis said:
That is how it works, and the stats clearly show it has.
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Unfortunately I don't see any good reason to believe that.
 
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Alekdar

Member
SalixIncendium said:
Does it matter if if the stories in religious scripture actually took place?

What is more important in scripture, historical accuracy or the lessons that can be learned from it?

Discuss
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I think that if you are trying to prove a point with events, the veracity of those events would be instrumental in the point that you are trying to make.
Even if the first half is perfectly fine, that doesn't makes the other half correct, or page by page, u know what i mean.
We are talking about at least a 2000 year old book collection compiled and translated, the possibility of that the original message has been long lost is very real, although if it's lost that would be quite detrimental to the veracity of the document, so may as well pretend everything is fine :D
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
1213 said:
Yeah, and then it is not a good and useful vaccine. When Covid vaccines where pushed, one reason was that they would also protect those who can't get the vaccine, by reducing infections of others.
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If one gets vaxed, they can still catch the virus and possibly pass it on to others, but their own negative symptoms are largely lessened. This is why it's important that most get vaxed.

But then if one only pays attention to the likes of Fox and/or NewsMax, they are not likely to hear this.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Alekdar said:
We are talking about at least a 2000 year old book collection compiled and translated, ...
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Which "at least a 2000 year old book collection" would that be? The NT was authored in the latter half of the first century C.E. and canonized in the latter half of the forth.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Alekdar said:
I think that if you are trying to prove a point with events, the veracity of those events would be instrumental in the point that you are trying to make.
Even if the first half is perfectly fine, that doesn't makes the other half correct, or page by page, u know what i mean.
We are talking about at least a 2000 year old book collection compiled and translated, the possibility of that the original message has been long lost is very real, although if it's lost that would be quite detrimental to the veracity of the document, so may as well pretend everything is fine :D
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I don't think any scripture is useful for substantiating the religious claims themselves, but religious scripture can also contain commentary about actual historical events, and can give insights into the state of mind and motives of the people involved.

I mean, there are plenty of religious stories to the effect of "neighbouring kingdom X was smited by earthquakes/floods/locusts /drought/whatnot because they angered the gods, and here's the lesson you can take from this about how to keep the gods happy." We don't need to accept the supernatural explanation to consider this an account that suggests that earthquakes/floods/locusts /drought/whatnot actually happened in that place at that time, similar to what we do with other historical documents.

The question of whether the natural disaster actually happened may be irrelevant to modern religious practice, but it's very relevant to our underlying of history.
 
SkepticThinker

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
1213 said:
It tells that the number of covid deaths has risen after people began to use the vaccines. Before vaccines were used, there were less covid deaths. If the vaccine would help in reducing deaths, the number of deaths should decrease. And there is two ways how it should happen, if the vaccine would work as it should:
1) reducing infections of non-vaccinated.
2) reducing severity of the disease on vaccinated.
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No it doesn't.
Read the articles provided.
1213 said:
The information that we have shows the vaccines have not helped in Finland.
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Vaccines have definitely helped in Finland, according to their own government.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member

Historical Accuracy in Scripture​

Since when history was accurate to Judge the truthful Word of G-d, please, right?

Regards
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"History encompasses at least three different ways of accessing the past: it can be remembered or recovered or even invented. All are imperfect in some way. For instance, no historian or historical source reveals the full and unvarnished truth, so memory is a fallible guide."
1320: Section 1: History and What-Really-Happened
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usu.edu
https://www.usu.edu › markdamen › chapters
Is history 100 percent true?

"Even when interviewing eyewitnesses to the events, the story they get from them might be tainted. So what you often read in the history books will not be 100% true to the actual events."
How Much Of What We Know As History Is Wrong? - Medium
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medium.com
https://medium.com › lessons-from-history
How much of history is real?
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
ChieftheCef said:
That's how it goes with these propogandas disguised with some truth value. But it's interesting to piece them all together, find what's true about them and see what Science can verify, like mindfulness meditation, flow, and such.
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Wny bother when the same and more
is found elsewhere?
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
1213 said:
In that case government can't be trusted, when it speak irrationally.
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Data sure doesnt back up anything about
your falsely so- called " god".

But thats different right? Bible can be trusted
no matter how many times its false.
See " irrational".

See next your usual list of excuses and denial.
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Audie said:
Bible can be trusted
no matter how many times its false.
1213 said:
I don't think anyone has shown Bible false. That you have different opinion/belief doesn't make it false.
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NT Bible is most certainly false as it has nothing to do with Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah and his teachings, please, right?

Regards
 
Audie

Audie

Veteran Member
1213 said:
I don't think anyone has shown Bible false. That you have different opinion/belief doesn't make it false.
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Yep. " i dont think" and, " opinion/belief".
Always the same.

First off, NOBODY SAY THE BIBLE IS FALSE.

EVERYBODY AGREES SOME READINGS ARE FALSE.

Your complaint is a particularly silly strawman.

" Jesus really was a sheep" ( baa baa)
" there really was a world wide flood"

Both of the above are false.

That their falsehood is just an opinion is
absurd.

To think either is true is just a belief.

Belief with zero possible basis in fact.

Such blind faith is cute in a child maybe, shameful in an adult.

Like using strawmem. Thats childish and
shameful too.

The only thing you got right was 'i dont think"
 
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Samael_Khan

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Eli G said:
I don't know what you, enemies of the Bible, are up to... but the reality that you seem to ignore is the following:

Without the Bible, much of the human history we know today would have still remained a mystery to the whole world. ;)
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This makes no sense. The bible tells us nothing about the American continents, the majority of Asia, southern Africa, europe and all the history after the last passages of the bible. The Bible only tells us about a tiny tiny fraction of history at best.
 
ChieftheCef

ChieftheCef

Active Member
Audie said:
Wny bother when the same and more
is found elsewhere?
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The pooh. How do you find it? Why Would you find something less popular? That's just not statistics.

It's also dead wrong about somethings. Like Erathly things as they call it. Pleasure is good and necessary for life. Too much pleasure is bad too, but too little is just as bad.

I'm not saying their perfect, I'm saying what is the actual path in practice, not theory.
 
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