Comradio251
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In other words you cannot discern proof from faith.
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Challenge: I'm willing to convert if.......
- Thread starter Madsaac
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YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
or...steady state theory from other theories...as if they were all "true."
Madsaac
Active Member
Yes you are right, I cannot put faith into something without some sort of proof.
Especially a book that was written 2000 years a go.
Madsaac
Active Member
No, that's incorrect. They are theories based on something measurable.
Your beliefs are based on something that cannot be measured, i.e a book written 2000 years a go
Well, you should open the "book that was written 2000 years ago" and read Hebrews 11:1 (or better yet, the entire chapter).
This is also wrong. Belief in God is based on the knowledge that He exists. Since widespread literacy is a relatively recent phenomenon, it is obvious that beliefs are based on the actual existence of God and His interaction in our lives.
The "knowledge that He exists" is predicated on a belief in God.
PearlSeeker
Well-Known Member
So he is an absent father that doesn't show up and talk with children?
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you were fortunate to have a pastor who actually believed in healing.
Muffled
Jesus in me
Perhaps, since one would not seek to know something one didn't believe existed. So the Bible told me about God, so I sought Him out and found Him.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe He talks when He wishes. He does not waste his time on people who manage to ignore Him when He speaks. That starts with the Bible.
Placebos often work. It is not uncommon for folks to see what they want to see.
stvdv
Veteran Member
When I was young (1975), I wanted to travel the world. In 1989 I made my world trip. Half way my "travel desire" was gone, and I started reading Spiritual books. Reading got me interested in Spirituality. Next year I booked my trip to India. I was drawn to a Master in the South, and I stayed in the Ashram
First trip, second day, I got terribly sick, too sick to attend Darshan (meeting the Master).
My roommate wanted to share all the miracles he experienced or heard about.
BUT, I said "I don't know anything, so I don't want to hear anything, I want my own experiences, not being biased".
Ca. 7 days later, this boy runs into the room, shouting "you fool, the Master wanted to grant me interview, but said that 2 were missing, so we didn't get it". I was surprised the Master knew me, as there were thousands of people, and I was sick in my room. But I was too sick, so I said "Well if this Master is Divine incarnated, he should heal me, because I'm too sick".
2 hours later I was completely cured. My first miracle.
We went to Darshan, we did get our interview, I did see another miracle that blew my engineering mind away. I did get what I asked for (my own experiences). And from that moment I guess I was kind of hooked to Spirituality.
Easiest is to get detached from the world. If too attached to worldly charm, you are not open to Spirituality. You only have so much time in a day. Worldly experience is easy to get, Spirituality usually not, unless you learned the art of not being attached to worldly sense gratification.
Purify your body, speech and mind is also part of Spirituality. Clean conscience will connect you to the Spirit within
Wish you all the Best on your journey
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that was not the case. What I wanted, God's response negated.
So you are saying that you wanted to be healed and God didn't heal you and it was a miracle?
Out of curiosity, if you were looking for Christ's healing, why did you need to find it in a hospital? I would have thought a church a more likely place to find him -- hospitals being full of medical folks and all.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Challenge: I'm willing to convert if.......
So, did our friend @Madsaac got converted, please, right?
Regards
So, did our friend @Madsaac got converted, please, right?
Regards
Even though this was posted in April...
a) I was not "looking for Christ's healing". In fact, I was an atheist at the time I was healed. I was healed by Christ via a pastor's prayer.
b) If you think that Jesus Christ's miracles are limited to a church building, you need to read your Bible.
c) The medical personnel in the hospital had nothing to do with my miraculous healing. In fact, they were astonished that my "unbreakable" asthma spasm was completely and instantaneously broken.
YoursTrue
Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I am happy for you that you got better.
WonderingWorrier
Active Member
I only believe miracles and prophecies of the Bible because I have seen them happen.
So because I have seen them and know how they work, I can show them to you if you like.
As an example I can show you a prophecy about a miracle. The prophecy of the wolf with the lamb is known as a future magical event when predator and prey will be at peace with each other.
This prophecy:
"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them". Isaiah.
I know the wolf has always been with the lamb. The prophecy was fulfilled the moment it was spoken.
I will show you how it works:
In Ezekiel there is a description of 12 city gates, each is assigned to a different tribe. Three tribes to each direction.
In the easterly direction is Joseph, and Benjamin.
And at the east side four thousand and five hundred: and three gates; and one gate of Joseph, one gate of Benjamin, one gate of Dan. Ezekiel
Here Benjamin is as wolf:
Benjamin shall ravin as a wolf: in the morning he shall devour the prey, and at night he shall divide the spoil. Genesis.
Here Joseph is as sheep:
"Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, thou that leadest Joseph like a flock; thou that dwellest between the cherubims, shine forth". Psalm
Therefore the wolf is with the lamb in the east. It is a fact.
In support of this miracle evidence I will show you another part of the same prophecy, the lion with the calf.
Here Reuben as in the place of cattle:
Now the children of Reuben and the children of Gad had a very great multitude of cattle: and when they saw the land of Jazer, and the land of Gilead, that, behold, the place was a place for cattle; Numbers.
Here Judah the lion:
"And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof". Revelation.
Together in the North:
"And the gates of the city shall be after the names of the tribes of Israel: three gates northward; one gate of Reuben, one gate of Judah, one gate of Levi". Ezekiel.
So according to the twelve gates, the wolf is with the lamb in the east, and the lion is with the calf in the north.
Can you see this miracle?
This is how miracles, and prophecies work. The positioning of words. I can show more examples to confirm it.