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  1. catch22

    How can it be "freewill"

    If someone walks up to you and shoots you in the face and you die, which was against you will, how much will do you really exert, anyway? There's very little a person has control over. Your heart, on the other hand, is one of the few things and possibly the most important. Consider that the...
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    How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

    Why do I feel like I'm watching an episode of the X-Files or something now...? Can I have the time back it took me to catch up on this thread? Sigh...
  3. catch22

    Is the Bible Really True?

    Did anyone ever find Osiris' junk in the river, anyway?
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    How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

    So... I disagree with rosends about a lot of things, but I dunno WHAT this guy is talking about. *boggle*
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    How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

    This is the best your religion can muster? False doctrine? Now they have names! Three Angels: Abraham Response on Ask the Rabbi This guy is full of it. The only thing he does differently from you or Rashi is add names, though. So really, there's two choices: 1) this guy, you, Rashi and...
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    How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

    At this point, Rosends, all I can do is laugh. Truly. You read nothing I say, you counter none of my arguments, you just reflect your obvious bias back to me. It's quite futile. It's not textual, except that's it written in the text, that God departs. You say the third guy leaves, except...
  7. catch22

    How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

    Yet, this is what your whole faith is based on, and sages have to do, in order to explain away this chapter. Here's Rashi's commentary on the final verse of chapter 18: Who's making an inference, now? The text says no such thing. The text does outright state God departs, though. I'm not...
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    How is the Bible the Word of God?

    One of my favorite history professors said that history was alive. It's by no means some static, unchanging set of facts people tend to think it is. I agree with him, he's absolutely right. Probability is not necessarily historical. In the case of Jesus' divinity, well, you won't hear Tabor...
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    How is the Bible the Word of God?

    History does agree Jesus existed. Theological bias - probability does not dictate outcome. Probability does not dictate outcome. Indeed. Probability does not dictate outcome, thus, theological bias. Do you play Russian Roulette? By all means, probability suggests you'll likely survive...
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    How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

    Inference or not, 18 starts with 3 men, 19 starts with 2, and the only one who departs is YHVH and we see Abraham standing before Him and otherwise interacting with him (He appears, He speaks, "they did eat," etc). This isn't so much inference as, honestly, just understanding what the author...
  11. catch22

    How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

    Sure, I can only hope he replies, but we shall see. If indeed his claims have no basis then I would of course reject them without further citations or some convincing publication demonstrating the position. Believe it or not, I don't hold him to any kind of particular esteem, aside from simply...
  12. catch22

    How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

    The Bible says that. I'm just reading what's there, boss.
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    How is the Bible the Word of God?

    That last statement is likely false. I can't say for sure, but scholars tend to lean toward it being removed, rather than inserted. First, in quantity, there are more for the long reading. The caveat here is quantity does not necessarily trump quality (for example, the short reading probably...
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    How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

    Sure, it makes perfect sense. God appears and Abraham looks up and sees 3 men! But nevermind that appearing thing, had nothing to do with those guys. Weak. Um, what? I'm not sure what you mean or if that was a typo. Anyway, verse 22, Abraham standing before YHVH again. Keep on swinging...
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    Is Being Rich or Self Defence A Sin?

    No, he wasn't a good guy. Look at what he does. In even death, he asks for his servant. He actually wants his servant in life to come down into his agony, in order to serve him. His heart is wicked and selfish. He doesn't care about the bliss of this man who suffered in life (of which he...
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    Egyptian Atheist Sentenced To One Year in Prison

    Islam happened. Happens all the time. 21 Egyptian Christians were just murdered the other day. Surprisingly, Egypt went to war over it, or rather, started bombing likely targets from the organization who did said murders. I honestly didn't expect that reaction, but I suppose, some lines are...
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    How is the Bible the Word of God?

    Hogwash. What do you expect, text messages between John and Jesus to make sure Jesus actually said what He said? A convenience store video? That's ludicrous. Even scholars appreciate the biblical manuscripts (there's something like 5 or 6 thousand of them, anyway). Considering we base most...
  18. catch22

    How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

    Of course I did. Just because you don't believe what you read, doesn't make a published PhD, an expert in this field, any less credible. God appears in verse 1, according mechon-mamre.org and chabad.org, respectively: Soooo... yeah. QBible same thing. Everything I've checked... same...
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    What if you're wrong

    What if I'm right?
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    How in the world can ANYBODY think the Jews and Christians have the same god, that Jesus is messiah?

    An Eating, Drinking, Walking, Talking “Jehovah” | TaborBlog Good luck explaining it away.
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