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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    These are just ones I found quickly on the internet...easily found with pictures for you too!!
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    Ok...just to name a few... Manuscript (MS)Contains:DateEyewitness page ref.NotesMagdalen Papyrus (P64)Matthew 26:7-8, 10, 14-15, 22-23 and 31.Before 66 A.D.1253Dead Sea Scroll MSS 7Q5Mark 6:52-53Before 68 A.D. "could be as early as A.D. 50"464Dead Sea Scroll MSS 7Q41 Timothy 3:16-4:3Before 68...
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    Sorry about the quote box issue... There are hundreds of ancient manuscripts, written within 100 years AD33, that are different lanuguages, and different parts of the world, that can easily be pieced together to read the original letters.
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    What are you basing all this on besides nostolgic attachment to tradition? I am basing it on that there were hundreds of eyewitnesses that saw a previously dead man walking the earth again. Any kind of historical research would tell you that what was written was written by the people that...
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    people die for thier beliefs all the time... many of these beliefs we find... well silly. Jonestown Heaven's Gate Order of the Solar Temple Branch Davidians.... and so on. Were all these people telling a lie? Did any of these people die saying they saw a man killed and then resurrected?
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    How do we know that Jesus didn't actually survive the crucifixion and was merely awakening from his decreased level of awareness? So, after being beaten half to death, and then crucified, he was able to walk around fine 3 days later?
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    Who do you think went to their deaths for this, and under what circumstances? The only one I'm familiar with from the Bible is Paul, and hopefully you'll agree that the Bible never mentions him seeing or meeting Jesus before his death. If we accept the Biblical account as true, then what he...
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    Really? And that compares to seeing a dead, and then resurrected man how?
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    Actually, I'm thinking more that there is positive evidence (i.e. not just conclusions drawn from the absence of evidence) that indicates a source for the New Testament other than literal events in first-century Judea. To say that the Gospel is a literal history of a man named Jesus who lived...
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    Wow, all twelve? Were the Jews that could not produce a body to shut them up fooled too?
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    But, my original question was why would all of the apostles (including Paul- an ex Pharasee) go to their gruesome deaths saying they saw a resurrected Jesus? I hope you would not respond by saying there is no proof of who wrote the New Testement. There are more manuscripts of this book around...
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    Did they not?
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    No, I am just asking the question. Were these apostles fooled, or are they liers?
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    I dont believe any of the gospels end that way at all. They all continue to tell the story of Jesus walking the earth for 40 more days.
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    Like I said, men die everyday for something they believe in. Even if that something is not true. But the apostles died saying they saw him killed and resurrected. Are you saying they did not see this? Are they lying? Are they crazy?
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    Well, the whole New Testement was written by eyewitnesses, all saying he was killed and resurrected.
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    If it was not true, were they all fooled?
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    Would men die for something they did not believe?

    Men die everyday for something they believe in. Would they die for something they did not believe in? How would a non christian explain why the apostles of Jesus died gruesome deaths saying they had seen Jesus killed and resurrected three days later? :sad:
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    The sick concept of Eternal hell suffering.

    I believe that the concept of choice demands that we believe in hell. Without hell there's no choice, and without choice heaven would not be heaven, heaven would be hell. The righteous would inherit a counterfeit heaven and the unrighteous would be incarcerated in heaven against their wills...
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    What happens when we die?

    You are a body/soul unity. When seperated, your soul is in eternity, either in the presence of the creator of your soul, or not in the presence of that creator. One would be glorious, and one would be a hopeless agony.
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