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  1. TiggerII

    the trinity, what do you believe?

    “John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” ….………………………… T2: It is far from surprising that trinitarian scholars would prefer the 'God' translation at John 1:1c and ignore any other honest alternate. However, notice this: Trinitarian Greek expert...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    @Dogknox since you continue saying "worship" belongs to God alone, I will repeat my study of the OT and NT uses of this word: ............................. The Greek word proskuneo (or proskyneo) is defined in the 1971 trinitarian United Bible Societies’ A Concise Greek-English Dictionary of...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    Dogknox20 wrote: How many Jehovah’s Witnesses die as a result of refusing a blood transfusion, according to the Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses? It was admitted that thousands of Jehovah’s Witness children have died by being refused a blood transfusion. This is according to a statement made...
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    So Jesus is not God?

    "He that hath seen [horao] me hath seen [horao] the Father" The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, vol. 4, p. 380, tells us: “What is seen in a vision is a revelation from God. Statements that human beings have seen or will see God Himself do not refer to a perception of a physical...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    soapy #1155: John 3:17: “[Father, ……] This means eternal life that they should believe in you, THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and in Jesus Christ whom you sent!” That should be John 17:3. ............................... @Dogknox20 #1157: Because of the great paucity of extant manuscripts (sometimes only...
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    Watchtower: Jesus is not "a god"!

    reply to #1151: The Greek word proskuneo (or proskyneo) is defined in the 1971 trinitarian United Bible Societies’ A Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament, p. 154: “[Proskuneo] worship; fall down and worship, kneel, bow low, fall at another’s feet.” Even the...
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    So Jesus is not God?

    1 Tim. 3:16 Although the KJV translates 1 Tim. 3:16 with “God”, nearly all other translations today use a word which refers, not to God, but to Jesus: “he” (NIV; RSV; NRSV; JB; NJB; REB; NAB [‘70]; AT; GNB; CBW; and Beck’s translation), “he who” (ASV; NASB; NEB; MLB; BBE; Phillips; and Moffatt)...
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    Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine

    I found this in the WT publication Insight on the Scriptures vol. 2, p. 54 - “The Word’s preeminent position among God’s creatures as the Firstborn, the one through whom God created all [other] things, and as God’s Spokesman, gives real basis for his being called ‘a god’ or mighty one.” I don't...
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    Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine

    ............................................ The following is the conclusion to my much longer examination of John's concept of the Logos and Philo's teaching. It is a result of my own investigation only and is not the WT's. CONCLUSION The fact that the writer...
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    Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine

    JWs consider men and angels being called gods to be a secondary (lower) meaning of theos/elohim much as the following do: God and gods The NIV Study Bible, Zondervan, 1985 clearly recognizes the truth about the lesser meaning of theos and elohim ('a god'): "In the language of the OT ... rulers...
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    Is Jesus God?

    ..................................... 1 Tim. 3:16 Although the KJV translates 1 Tim. 3:16 with “God”, nearly all other translations today use a word which refers, not to God, but to Jesus: “he” (NIV; RSV; NRSV; JB; NJB; REB; NAB [‘70]; AT; GNB; CBW; and Beck’s translation), “he who” (ASV; NASB...
  12. TiggerII

    Is Jesus God?

    1 Tim. 3:16 Although the KJV translates 1 Tim. 3:16 with “God”, nearly all other translations today use a word which refers, not to God, but to Jesus: “he” (NIV; RSV; NRSV; JB; NJB; REB; NAB [‘70]; AT; GNB; CBW; and Beck’s translation), “he who” (ASV; NASB; NEB; MLB; BBE; Phillips; and Moffatt)...
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    Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine

    So we can't include all the times he's called "God our father," or "God and father," etc.? Then what about these? How do they read? Gal. 1:1; Phil. 2:11; Col. 3:17 (NASB); 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:2 (NASB); 2 John 3; Jude 1
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    Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine

    Isn’t it interesting how trinitarians won’t reply to any of the 10 clear challenges that this discussion is supposed to be about? How about this one, then? CLEAR CHALLENGES TO THE TRINITY DOCTRINE (J) -------- Explain how Jesus (and his disciples for many years after his death) were allowed...
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    Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine

    Isn’t it interesting how trinitarians won’t reply to any of the 10 clear challenges that this discussion is supposed to be about? How about this one, then? CLEAR CHALLENGES TO THE TRINITY DOCTRINE (J) -------- Explain how Jesus (and his disciples for many years after his death) were allowed...
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    Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine

    Additional: “CLEAR CHALLENGES TO THE TRINITY DOCTRINE (G) -------- Explain why those Jews who sought to have Jesus killed (and even found people to lie about him as witnesses - Matt. 26:59-60) never accused him of claiming to be God (or even fully equal with God)! If there were any idea among...
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    Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine

    The fifth request for undisputed, clear, repeated evidence of a trinity (or that a person other than the Father is equally God with him) as requested in part #1 was: (E) Please give equally clear, undisputed scriptures where the Holy Spirit is called "God, the Holy Spirit." Again, when one...
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    Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine

    The fifth request for undisputed, clear, repeated evidence of a trinity (or that a person other than the Father is equally God with him) as requested in part #1 was: (E) Please give equally clear, undisputed scriptures where the Holy Spirit is called "God, the Holy Spirit." Again, when one...
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    Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine

    The fourth request for clear undisputed evidence of a trinity (or Jesus being 'equally God') asked for in part #1 above: "Since the Father is clearly, directly, and indisputably called "God, the Father," many, many times, and the Son and Holy Spirit are said by trinitarians to be equally the...
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    Clear Challenges to the Trinity Doctrine

    (C) Please find a clear, direct, undisputed scriptural statement equivalent to clear, undisputed scriptures) which declares: 'YHWH is the Son,' or 'YHWH is the Firstborn,' or, 'YHWH is the Messiah (or "Christ"), or any other equally clear, undisputed statement (or personal name) that 'Jesus is...
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