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  1. kiwimac

    "Egyptian Parliament Considers Outlawing Atheism"

    No religion has any moral high ground here. All of our faiths have persecuted others when we have had the power to do so. This happens, unsurprisingly, when 'faith' becomes synonymous with 'state.' I think it should be illegal for a country to hold a religious position, it gives people wholly...
  2. kiwimac

    Trump: "My nuclear button is 'much bigger,' 'more powerful'"

    Yeah, that will go well...
  3. kiwimac

    Question for Monotheists

    In the OT no such belief is held. The Jewish sages refer to a foetus becoming a person at first breath reminding us that it was so with Adam and Eve. The teaching of ensoulment at conception is a uniquely Christian belief held, until recently, by only a few Christian denominations. It has become...
  4. kiwimac

    Christians, How do You Deal With Troublesome Scriptures?

    Bull dust.
  5. kiwimac

    Christians, How do You Deal With Troublesome Scriptures?

    These "mere assertions" are the result of scholars' years of study of the scriptures. You may be willing to throw that aside, I am not.
  6. kiwimac

    Christians, How do You Deal With Troublesome Scriptures?

    Scholars identify between 7 and 20 odd creation stories in the Bible, some of them quite complex (these tend to be the later ones, Genesis 1 & 2 are examples here) and others are simpler, sometimes only a verse or two. One of the most famous is in Proverbs 8 where Wisdom says the following:
  7. kiwimac

    Christians, How do You Deal With Troublesome Scriptures?

    It's quite obvious. The scribes who collated the books of the Pentateuch from the oral traditions which existed before them weren't there when all came into being, the tale itself is similar to others, older, from the same area and the several versions of the creation myth in the scriptures are...
  8. kiwimac

    Christians, How do You Deal With Troublesome Scriptures?

    The first chapters of Genesis are parable not history.
  9. kiwimac

    Chicagoan's Tell Obama Take You Not-Library And Stick It.

    What a brouhaha over nothing.
  10. kiwimac

    Abortion hurts women!

    Exodus 21:22, You and I will need to disagree here about it's meaning. Moreover the test of a faithless wife was not meant to cause a miscarriage, it was meant to confirm the husband's right to his property, ie, the woman.
  11. kiwimac

    Abortion hurts women!

    In point of fact the ONE time abortion is mentioned in the Bible; it is considered a crime punishable by the payment of a fine.
  12. kiwimac

    Abortion hurts women!

    At first breath.
  13. kiwimac

    women priests in christianity?

    There were female apostles in the early years of the church and frescos in Rome show what are quite clearly women performing the roles of priests and bishops. But as far as that goes there is no need to us today to follow the later church only ordaining men,
  14. kiwimac

    Let’s talk about the Bible

    Don't have a dog in this race but many books and writings predate the written Bible.
  15. kiwimac

    Roy Moore

    Homosexuality is objectively no more inherently immoral than heterosexuality.
  16. kiwimac

    Was Adam a caveman? Was Eve a cavewoman?

    The first chapters of Genesis are myth not fact.
  17. kiwimac

    "Australians decisively support same-sex marriage"

    NZ has had gay marriage for some little while. I have not noticed plagues.
  18. kiwimac

    Was Adam a caveman? Was Eve a cavewoman?

    Genesis 1 & 2 are parables not history. Eve is in Hebrerw חַוָּה (Chawwah), which was derived from the Hebrew word חוה (chawah) "to breathe" or the related word חיה (chayah) "to live" while Adam is a pun. In Hebrew Adam means '(of) the Red Earth'; If you wanted to translate the pun in English...
  19. kiwimac

    Question for Non-vegetarians.

    I would argue that evolution has designed us for just that by the simple expedient of not allowing others to live long enough to breed.
  20. kiwimac

    Question for Non-vegetarians.

    humans are omnivores, we are designed to eat plants, fruits, nuts and meats.
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