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  1. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Sounds logical. As an alternate view, I have spoken to others--Catholics, mostly--who tell me the works of verse 9 are different from the works of verse 10. They said the works of verse 9 are works of the law, as explained in Galatians--examples being circumcision and animal sacrifice. The...
  2. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Yes, many times--some books more than others. I've also read the entire Old Testament a few times. My favorite books are Psalms and the Gospel of John. What are yours? :)
  3. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Oh yes, I know you are not Evangelical or Fundamentalist based on your expressed beliefs. Evangelicals and Fundamentalists would likely say you are sincere, but sincerely wrong and suggest you have denied the fundamentals of the Christian faith. As for me, I think you are onto something. I find...
  4. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Thanks, MyGirl. I've spent much of my life talking about Christian beliefs with Fundamentalists and Evangelicals. They tell me the word grace means God's unconditional love. They say unconditional love has no conditions, so being saved by grace must mean I need not meet any conditions to receive...
  5. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    I don't know what to believe. That's why I'm here.
  6. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    As am I, though I hope to not so frequently prove myself a liar by my actions. So then, to those who try to educate us by saying, "Paul makes it clear you are saved by grace alone through faith alone!" how should we respond?
  7. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Hi, Disciple. Would you say there is a difference between the works mentioned in verse 9 and the works of verse 10? 9 ...not by works, so that no one can boast.10 For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. (Ephesians 2)
  8. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    I do not know. I used the word for clarity, even though its meaning is ironically unclear to me! but you are correct. Paul does not say from what we are saved in Ephesians 2. I thought your point was that he did not know. Please accept my apologies. Yes, I see that. I think a good place to...
  9. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Well Named: Welcome, and your knowledge is much appreciated! Speaking of knowledge, the word reminds me of something I learned about the Greek language that demonstrates the truth of your opinion. Please let me briefly explain: When reading an English translation of Plato's Theatetus, I...
  10. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Well, there are modern translations that are not translations of the KJV, but are instead translations of the ancient manuscripts. The NIV, for example is the work of translators who were experts able to read and understand the Ancient Greek and used the extant MSS as their sources. Now I know...
  11. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Atpollard: Glad you joined us. What about repentance? The criminal on the cross close to Christ chooses to change from condemning Christ to condoning Christ. Can you concur?
  12. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    OK, thank you for explaining to this noob. :) I'm not sure what you mean by inappropriate. Are you saying Paul was inappropriate in his choice of the word faith? Or are you saying Paul never did choose the word faith and the translation of the text is in error? Or are you saying something...
  13. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Thank you, MyGirl. Is this an exhaustive list, or are there perhaps other conditions I must meet to be saved?
  14. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Thanks for replying, but it seems we're having trouble seeing the trees for the forest. I mean, if you and I were hicking the Adirondack Mountains in New York and I drew your attention to a specific tree and asked you, "Is this tree a maple tree?" and you answered, "This is a temperate forest,"...
  15. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    I agree about the need for analysis. But please provide an example of an idea I've proposed, which you know is unbiblical. I concur. So in analyzing what Jesus said, would you say it is logical to induce that he did not have the authority to give, but illogical to assume that he did not know...
  16. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    I suppose, then I might be a witness of his eyewitnesses, yet my testimony would still be hersay and not as reliable. For I might misunderstand the intended meaning of their eyewitness accounts. Notice Christ says the positions of authority are not his to GIVE. Does he also say the positions...
  17. Spockrates

    Wondering About Faith (Ephesians 2)

    Are you saying it is likely the word faith in Ephesians 2 is incorrectly translated and Paul never used the Greek equivalent of the word at all?
  18. Spockrates

    Does God exist....

    Carlita: There have been times when I've thought I've heard words spoken when no one was there. But these times have been when I was nearly asleep. From what I've read, such auditory hallucinations are common with those who are of a sound mind. This was different from my experience of words...
  19. Spockrates

    Does God exist....

    And the words conveyed, are they words of the bible or extra biblical?
  20. Spockrates

    Does God exist....

    George: Well, it was at a time in my life when I had experimented with pot, but I was not high at the time.
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