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  1. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    To All: Thank you so OK. Thank you. Good talking with you! God bless. :)
  2. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Looks like something was lost in the translation! It was worth a try.
  3. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Godobeyer: If it will help, type your responses in your own language. I will use Google Translate. Google Translate
  4. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Does Islam teach mercy means to be lenient but forgiveness means to pardon? Or do the words mercy and forgiveness mean something different?
  5. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Glad you so quickly forgave my delayed response. :) Earlier you said: For me personally, it's fairly easy to forgive almost anyone for almost anything -- as long as I believe that they are sincerely remorseful for what they've done. It's when I'm dealing with people who have no remorse that...
  6. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Sorry for taking so long to respond. I was asking if you believe I can show mercy and not forgive. An example might be someone who steals my car and damages it. I might not forgive--or not let him get away with it--by demanding he pay for the damage done. But I might show mercy--or not punish...
  7. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Sorry for taking so long to respond. Project kept me away. And sorry for being clear as mud! When I ask if we should forgive always or only when appropriate, I meant always, or only when God reveals it is appropriate. So then, what if God has not yet revealed? I mean, I agree God has revealed...
  8. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Oh, yes. I see, now. :) So I suppose the lesson of D&C and MT is that we should forgive. But should we forgive everyone for everything, or are there times when it is inappropriate to forgive? That is, is the gist of them both that we should always forgive when it is appropriate, but when not...
  9. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Thanks for the links, Godobeyer. It seems to me that one may show mercy to one he does not forgive. For if one chooses to not pardon another, one may still be lenient by not punishing the unforgiven one as harshly as he deserves. Does it seem the same to you?
  10. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Yes, it is my hope, too. But are you now surprised to see your earlier statement must be revised? For you said something to the effect that Mormons don't have to worry about God forgiving them. Now it seems they have cause to worry if or when they choose not to forgive!
  11. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    But remember what Jesus prayed when he neared death: "Father, forgive them. For they know not what they do." (Luke 23:34). Just as you did not require me to apologize when I didn't know what I was doing was wrong, so too you do not need to apologize when you didn't know. Ignorance, it seems is...
  12. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Yes, very true! Only God knows best 100% of the time. To find out what he knows is our goal, I guess. :) So what does the Quran say God says about forgiving?
  13. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Hi Katzur: Forgive my ignorance. Seems not all Latter Day Saints worship three gods, or I've completely misunderstood. Are there some Mormons who believe Jesus is a different god than the Father and some Mormons who believe they are the same God? I have relatives who are members of the LDS...
  14. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Godobeyer: Thank you for your reply. :) If you are willing, I'd like to talk about the only God forgiving someone who does the unforgivable. We might consider a Mormon, for example. Mormons worship three gods--the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. Unlike many Christians, they say the three...
  15. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Regarding Your Reply Thanks for another response. Please tell me: Why were they called sleepers? And who were they? I suppose a person's goodness or lack thereof is relative. Compared to Muhammad, my goodness is perhaps as far from his as the east is from the west! I have no hope of becoming...
  16. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    I mean, I agree it is easier to imitate God's prophets. The Bible also says the same. For example, Paul wrote: Imitate me, just as I also imitate [Jesus]. (1 Corinthians 11:1) It seems Paul says we should not imitate him all the time, but only when he imitates Jesus. And I think you might...
  17. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    Right. Since we have nowhere near the wisdom, compassion, power or perfection of Allah, I suppose the best we'd manage is to make the attempt and not get very far in really imitating him! Though I suppose our making the attempt would make him smile just the same, perhaps like the way I used to...
  18. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    It might not be explicitly stated, but isn't it logically inferred? Let's think about it. :) Allah is just. We should be just. When we do what is just, isn't that act an imitation of the only just God? Allah is forgiving and merciful. We should be forgiving and merciful. When we forgive and...
  19. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    But our conversation reminds me of something Socrates said: I have long been wondering at my own wisdom. I cannot trust myself, and I think that I ought to stop and ask myself, "What am I saying?" For there is nothing worse than self-deception — when the deceiver is always at home and always...
  20. Spockrates

    To Forgive or Not to Forgive?

    I appreciate the passages, the_One. A couple of questions, if you'd like to answer them: I see Qu'ran also spelled Quran and Koran. Are all three spellings acceptable? I notice verse 64:14 mentions pardoning, exonerating and forgiving. Do you think these words are smilies and repeated for...
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