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    Barack Hussein Obama is the Final Antichrist

    AntiChrist ? ... no clue on that one BUT I did wake up this morning to a big "Are you kidding me ?" Obama's official website - the official website for the President of the United States... has stated that if you do not agree with Health care reform in it's current wording... you are a Right...
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    Thanks for the frubals nameless...a while back : ) sorry, I haven't logged in to this site in...

    Thanks for the frubals nameless...a while back : ) sorry, I haven't logged in to this site in a while. Enjoy your day!
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    Paul, Jesus, and Moasic Law

    Understood. If the path you are on is giving you the answers you seek - then - enjoy the ride.
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    Paul, Jesus, and Moasic Law

    Well done :) and back at ya... I'll be on a Sabbatical for a few months - so - I won't bug ya. Enjoy your weekend!
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    Paul, Jesus, and Moasic Law

    Dear If U Knew, Just an f.y.i.. from this 'know it all'... you have learned arrogance well.
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    Apostates of Islam

    I am using Pickthal's translation for that verse. What about these other verses ? 005.051 YUSUFALI: O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship)...
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    Apostates of Islam

    Then - that is a problem. Other verses state that if Peace is sought Peace will be given. It's not that simple - Now the rules have been given - become Muslim or Pay a tax or you will be 'fought'.
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    Apostates of Islam

    I understand. Of course we become friends and hang out with others that have some of the same interests. My concerns come from reading scripture that specifically tell you not to become friends with those simply because they do not believe in a given religion. You could still enjoy going out to...
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    Apostates of Islam

    My question was... "What if they want peace but do not repent, do not establish worship and do not pay the tax ? " To do these things would make them a Muslim. The verse I posted stated that if they do this - all is well. What if they refused ?
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    Apostates of Islam

    I am only going by what I am reading. And what I am reading is pretty clear. You are giving me your own interepretation - which does not match with the verses. Please tell me... How have I lost my own soul ? (6:12) "It is they who have lost their own souls, that they will not believe"...
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    Apostates of Islam

    What if they want peace but do not repent, do not establish worship and do not pay the tax ?
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    I did.. thanks for telling me. BUT... keep them. You are kind and a good debater. I mean...

    I did.. thanks for telling me. BUT... keep them. You are kind and a good debater. I mean no Ill will towards you or any of your Muslim Brothers and Sisters. I just like to debate scripture of any kind. I see problems in all religions - and have taken them all on. Keep up the good...
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    Apostates of Islam

    Again you make no rebuttal. In debate - such answers are useless. I did not rush with the previous verse. The verse(s) do state to kill unbelievers wherever you find them. And.. why does God not state 'Enemy' instead of unbelievers. Does Allah view all 'Unbelievers' as the enemy? In other...
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    Apostates of Islam

    God requires a tax be paid ? If the unbelievers repent, establish worship and pay the tax - are they then considered Muslim ? 009.011But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge.
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    Apostates of Islam

    You are not correct. We are speaking of two different verses. The verse I posted clearly states that you are a wrong-doer for simply having friends that are not believers. 009.023O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather...
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    Apostates of Islam

    I was speaking of this verse - it states to fight those that do not believe in Allah. I see nothing about being attacked in the verses around it. 009.029 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor...
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    Apostates of Islam

    No Eselam - the verse is stating that you are a wrong-doer if you simply take a disbeliever as a friend.
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    Apostates of Islam

    I understand Lava. But... it says here to fight against those that do not believe and do not follow Islam. It says nothing about being attacked. 009.029 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor...
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    Apostates of Islam

    The verse in question only states that you should not take Jews and Christians as friends - it does not say only over Muslims. It is not the only verse. In this case you are a wrong-doer if you do so. 009.023O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take...
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    Apostates of Islam

    The previous verse. It clearly states what it states.
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