When people can believe some things can be done by God, they are not being lied to if they think something wasn't done by God. They simply didn't consider it.
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A Bunch of Reasons Why I Question Noah's Flood Story:
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No, you haven't.
You would not believe.
It doesn't work because God never endowed humans with the discipline adequate to obey the rules God set forth. We see this in the A&E story. It's like parents punishing infants before they have any understanding of language or rules.
Essentially the morality of these stories is: citizens follow the rules of the middlemen for God (the leadership) or God (rather, God's middlemen) will punish you in ways that could be deadly. So obey the rules, or else.
How else could you keep order with rather unsophisticated, primitive people?
How do these morality tales work in a modern society?
If you keep the commandments and try to understand God instead of judging, I think you will be better off.
Slaves were supposed to be treated well.
Genocide because humanity was destroying itself anyway.
What use is it today? What does it offer that any other secular life lessons can't teach?
So it's moral to own people?
Just as God created. Or did god play dice with its creation and had no idea what would happen?
Are you saying that God was surprised by how human society evolved as it created them?
That's a big lie. Jesus set the example of not sinning. We all sin so repentance helps us make it back to our Heavenly Father through Christ's atonement.
For instance my church does a great amount of humanitarian aid.
God doesn't give people 2021 values in 600 b.c. or they can't handle them.
Imo God knows what will happen but we still choose. Actually I differ from my church. I don't think any being chooses anything.
In the case of Noah's Ark, humanity was self-destructive already.
tas8831
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Um... I never claimed to have used the bible to prop up biblical claims. That is what you do.
tas8831
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Concession accepted.
So we don't need 600 BCE morals anymore, wouldn't you say? The Leviticus and Exodus laws? Do we need those?
Great, so a God creating people knows what those humans will do as it created them, thus the people THINK they are making decisions but God already knows what they will decide, and lets that creation happen. God is accountable for all things in history.
Just as God created. Or is God incompetent and doesn't know what it's doing?
tas8831
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Seems like if Yahweh knew slavery was bad, it would have maybe been one of the Commandments or something.
As a church should do.
When I was in high school I worked in my grandmother's church "soup kitchen". Wow, talk about an eye opener to a kid growing up the affluent suburbs. As an atheist I could recognize that if a group says they are moral they place an obligation on themselves to live up to it. So you have an atheist working at a church to help the needy. Does that mean an endorsement to what the church claims as religious belief? No. There are bad believers and good atheists. Good people make good believers, bad people make bad theists, but religion doesn't make bad people good.
I have seen miracles. You can judge my honesty and trustworthiness by my posts.
You don't give people 2021 morals in 600 bc.
So if you all sin, then what point was Jesus' example to not sin? I mean didn't you all know this already? You have hundreds of laws in the books already, what more do you need?
jesus was just another patch to fix a glitch in creation. And it fixed nothing.
So morals change? Why?
Doesn't;t that open the door to any human insisting they have the newest version of morality? Look at suicide bombers exploiting this loophole. Can you say they are wrong? Maybe they are doing God's will and you are living with obsolete morals, possible?
We gain moral strength by living vicariously through Jesus Christ.
The whole plan of salvation is very consistent in my experience with people fighting my religion on the Internet.
The whole plan of salvation is very consistent in my experience with people fighting my religion on the Internet.