A Bunch of Reasons Why I Question Noah's Flood Story:

[SkepticThinker]

Miracles occur among believers.

That's the line I called a convenient cop out.
Because that's all it is.
You have to already believe to believe. How much more circular can you get?

 

[SkepticThinker]

People were always commanded to love each other.

Except when they were told to own each other as property. Or to dash babies' heads against rocks and capture virgins to keep for themselves. I bet those babies and virgins were really feelin' that love.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I'm not concerned about my own morality. I have a moral compass.

I'm concerned about people who espouse Biblical morality because they believe it comes from some God.

We're talking about God's supposed morality here. The morality you say you, and everyone should follow. Or should I say, immorality.

The ten commandments forbid the kind of Biblical immorality that has been described. The Jews do not practice the kind of immorality that has been described. The New Testament also has cancelled that immorality.

"Why callest thou me good? (why do you use your own defintion of good). There is none good (the real morality) but God (God is the moral one regardless of what we think of Him)."

 

[robocop (actually)]

That's the line I called a convenient cop out.
Because that's all it is.
You have to already believe to believe. How much more circular can you get?

There are things that can help you to believe.

It's not circular. You believe and then you see miracles. Faith has to be exercised just like scientific progress. What you might try is to read one chapter in the Old Testament, New Testament and Book of Mormon per day ( scriptures.lds.org ) and see if it doesn't help you to believe.

There is meant to be help in believing. Also, apart from scripture. You can pray.

A sample prayer for one who doesn't know if there is a God from the Book of Mormon:

“O God, Aaron hath told me that there is a God; and if there is a God, and if thou art God, wilt thou make thyself known unto me, and I will give away all my sins to know thee, and that I may be raised from the dead, and be saved at the last day.”

Alma 22:18

Alma 22

 

[robocop (actually)]

Except when they were told to own each other as property. Or to dash babies' heads against rocks and capture virgins to keep for themselves. I bet those babies and virgins were really feelin' that love.

Yeah, those were pretty bad things. Let me look those things up.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Except when they were told to own each other as property. Or to dash babies' heads against rocks and capture virgins to keep for themselves. I bet those babies and virgins were really feelin' that love.

OK heads against rocks: I did some googling:

What does Psalm 137:9 mean when it says, “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks”? | GotQuestions.org

Slavery and capturing virgins I think was bad. I really don't know what to say. I think it was just different times, but why would God Himself advise it? Well, you've got me stumped.

I'll get back to you.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Except when they were told to own each other as property. Or to dash babies' heads against rocks and capture virgins to keep for themselves. I bet those babies and virgins were really feelin' that love.

OK slavery:

First of all they have to love their slaves.

• In both the Old and New Testaments, the words used to denote slaves did not necessarily carry the same connotations that we associate with slavery today. Only by understanding the biblical texts and the cultures that produced them can we understand what is being referred to in the Bible.
  
  
• The stealing and selling of human beings, such as has been common throughout human history, is a capital offense according to Old Testament law. The return of fugitive slaves to their masters was also illegal.
  
  
• In almost every instance, the kind of slavery governed by Old Testament law was debt-slavery, where an individual would offer labor in exchange for an outstanding debt that he could not pay. The laws that govern such transactions are given to protect the rights of such slaves, who could only serve for a maximum of six years.
  
  
• Early Christians had to work out their treatment of one another under Roman law, which they lacked the political influence to change.
  
  
• The Christian community was a counter-cultural movement in which social distinctions were all but erased. Jesus is the true Lord, and masters and slaves were expected to treat each other as beloved brothers and sisters and equal members of the body of Christ.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Except when they were told to own each other as property. Or to dash babies' heads against rocks and capture virgins to keep for themselves. I bet those babies and virgins were really feelin' that love.

OK virgins.

In Numbers 31 it does not say they slept with the virgins. Don't blast out at me if I'm wrong, but I think they kept the virgins and children as an act of morality since those people were not guilty like the rest of the people they were fighting.

 

[ecco]

In Numbers 31 it does not say they slept with the virgins. Don't blast out at me if I'm wrong, but I think they kept the virgins and children as an act of morality since those people were not guilty like the rest of the people they were fighting.

Just to show how easily your apologetics can be refuted; They didn't keep the virgins and children for moral purposes.

Perhaps you really are that naive and gullible. Perhaps you just have a big blind spot when it comes to reading scripture.

Numbers 31
17Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. 18But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately.

Since you had to look up all these instances of evil, I'll venture that the "controversial" Biblical passages are not discussed in your Bible studies. You need to ask your elders why.

The ten commandments forbid the kind of Biblical immorality that has been described. The Jews do not practice the kind of immorality that has been described. The New Testament also has cancelled that immorality.

Again, you have a blind spot when it comes to understanding your own scripture. The God and his followers in the OT certainly do practice that kind of "morality" - the worst kind.

But, hey, it's all good right? The NT cancels all the bad ****. Yipee.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Just to show how easily your apologetics can be refuted; They didn't keep the virgins and children for moral purposes.

Perhaps you really are that naive and gullible. Perhaps you just have a big blind spot when it comes to reading scripture.

Numbers 31
17Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. 18But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately.

Since you had to look up all these instances of evil, I'll venture that the "controversial" Biblical passages are not discussed in your Bible studies. You need to ask your elders why.


Again, you have a blind spot when it comes to understanding your own scripture. The God and his followers in the OT certainly do practice that kind of "morality" - the worst kind.

But, hey, it's all good right? The NT cancels all the bad ****. Yipee.

I am more concerned about my own morality than God's. This isn't enough to make me toss the whole Bible.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Just to show how easily your apologetics can be refuted; They didn't keep the virgins and children for moral purposes.

Perhaps you really are that naive and gullible. Perhaps you just have a big blind spot when it comes to reading scripture.

Numbers 31
17Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known a man intimately. 18But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately.

Since you had to look up all these instances of evil, I'll venture that the "controversial" Biblical passages are not discussed in your Bible studies. You need to ask your elders why.


Again, you have a blind spot when it comes to understanding your own scripture. The God and his followers in the OT certainly do practice that kind of "morality" - the worst kind.

But, hey, it's all good right? The NT cancels all the bad ****. Yipee.

OK, so I got off the phone with my parents.

The ten commandments are of course right as rain. The other commandments were preparatory for a people who were not capable of following the gospel of Jesus Christ. They came from idol-worshipping places so it was very important for them to not worship idols and when they took over countries that did, taking the women might have been because it was so important to God that they didn't worship idols.

They sacrificed perfect animals, but there was none perfect but Jesus Christ. He sacrificed Himself for all of us to have hope. In return, we still make sacrifices, but we sacrifice a broken heart and a contrite spirit.

If we sacrifice a broken heart and a contrite spirit, we are ready to accept Jesus Christ.

They did the best they could with being limited. It is obvious that God is not going to give us morality from the year 2300 just like God didn't give them our morality then, or maybe God has given it to us but we just don't understand it yet.

 

[F1fan]

That's a big lie. Jesus set the example of not sinning. We all sin so repentance helps us make it back to our Heavenly Father through Christ's atonement.

I don't think it's a lie to offer a counter view to religious dogma when that dogma isn't known to be factual or true itself.

I recall Jesus knocking over the tables of the money changers, and that sort of public disruption isn't a sin?

 

[F1fan]

I am more concerned about my own morality than God's. This isn't enough to make me toss the whole Bible.

So why do you need a Bible at all?

 

[F1fan]

God gives us prophets so we know what we need to focus on in our time and situation. If we hold to them we are more guided. Our head prophet, besides Jesus Christ, is Russel M. Nelson.

You can't figure out things without guidance from others, who sin themselves according to you? What makes them worth following?

 

[F1fan]

By the way I should ask, why don't we live by 2200 year values?

We don't comprehend them and we're not ready for them.

Well if the USA can survive 2021 Republican values we might get there. The values we need now is good environmental stewardship. These values are not shared by a large minority, most of them fervent Christians, which is a problem.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I don't think it's a lie to offer a counter view to religious dogma when that dogma isn't known to be factual or true itself.

I recall Jesus knocking over the tables of the money changers, and that sort of public disruption isn't a sin?

You can offer a counter view and that's just fine. Was Balaam sinning when he thought the donkey was talking to him? Of course not. It's not a sin to think there was no flood.

The money changers were turning what Jesus was Himself about into a money-making scheme. If it was a crime, I still do not know of any sin He committed there.

 

[robocop (actually)]

So why do you need a Bible at all?

Why do you need Windows 1-9 to build Windows 10? Because in life if we follow our parents and tradition it is an anchor. If we discard them we are on our own. Even our genes come from billions of years of evolution. Would you discard your genes just like that?

 

[robocop (actually)]

You can't figure out things without guidance from others, who sin themselves according to you? What makes them worth following?

They are called of God. What made Moses worth following? He killed someone.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Well if the USA can survive 2021 Republican values we might get there. The values we need now is good environmental stewardship. These values are not shared by a large minority, most of them fervent Christians, which is a problem.

I am sorry I have always been the greenest person in my family.

They need to read Genesis 1:28 in Hebrew in my opinion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The ten commandments forbid the kind of Biblical immorality that has been described. The Jews do not practice the kind of immorality that has been described. The New Testament also has cancelled that immorality.

"Why callest thou me good? (why do you use your own defintion of good). There is none good (the real morality) but God (God is the moral one regardless of what we think of Him)."

Which Ten Commandments? Most Christians do not know that there is only one set in the whole Bible that is labeled as "The Ten Commandments". The words in titles to chapters were not original. Those were added later.