A Christian believes --------------------------------?

[jimb]

It is the people who make claims that must prove their claims. You claim there will be a resurrection, and even that there are people who have already resurrected, but you have no evidence. All you have is a sacred text written by men. Religious texts are not *evidence.* Evidence means and finding and documenting cases of resurrection, such as with medical equipment certifying brain death, or evidence that the body began to rot, with further evidence that after that, they were medically verified to be walking around (IOW DNA evidence to prove it is not some other person who never died). When you can supply that sort of evidence, please come talk to me.

I won't waste my time "talking" to you about resurrection, as you are clearly unable to accept the truth.

All you have are secular texts written by men who cannot accept anything that doesn't agree with their science. I pity you!

 

[jimb]

At one time, science believed that the earth was flat and that if you sailed to the edge, you would fall off.

Scientific knowledge is limited by direct observation. FAITH IS NOT!

 

[Trailblazer]

I won't waste my time "talking" to you about resurrection, as you are clearly unable to accept the truth.

I won't waste my time "talking" to Christians about resurrection, as they are clearly unable to accept the truth.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I won't waste my time "talking" to you about resurrection, as you are clearly unable to accept the truth.

This is what is known as deflection. It is a form of manipulation that is meant to help a person avoid responsibility or uncomfortable idea by trying to transfer blame to the person they are talking to.

 

[jimb]

This is what is known as deflection. It is a form of manipulation that is meant to help a person avoid responsibility or uncomfortable idea by trying to transfer blame to the person they are talking to.

You have described yourself perfectly! You cannot or will not accept what some of us know as the truth.

You blame myself and others rather than opening your mind.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You have described yourself perfectly! You cannot or will not accept what some of us know as the truth.

I have not blamed you for anything. I have simply reminded you that it is your responsibility to make the case for your claims. That's not a moral judgement. That just reminding you of the basic rules of discourse.

 

[jimb]

I have not blamed you for anything. I have simply reminded you that it is your responsibility to make the case for your claims. That's not a moral judgement. That just reminding you of the basic rules of discourse.

I have made the case for my claims -- many times. Clearly you're not paying attention.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Scientific knowledge is limited by direct observation. FAITH IS NOT!

The funny thing is that I'm pretty sure @jimb doesn't realize how much of a self-own this statement is.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I have made the case for my claims -- many times. Clearly you're not paying attention.

I never read every post in a thread. It's an unreasonable expectation. I'm sure I miss most of your posts, just as you have missed most of mine.

That being understood, it is nevertheless the case that I have never seen you make your case. Certainly not in the posts you have directed towards me. What I *have* seen in your posts that I have read, is that you have no awareness that you constantly confuse belief with knowledge, faith with fact.

 

[jimb]

I never read every post in a thread. It's an unreasonable expectation. I'm sure I miss most of your posts, just as you have missed most of mine.

That being understood, it is nevertheless the case that I have never seen you make your case. Certainly not in the posts you have directed towards me. What I *have* seen in your posts that I have read, is that you have no awareness that you constantly confuse belief with knowledge, faith with fact.

That is nothing more than your (incorrect) opinion. If you miss most of my posts, how can you make any judgment?

Secondly, I do NOT "confuse belief with knowledge, faith with fact". Read Hebrews 11:1.

 

[firedragon]

That God are 3-in-one, instead of One?
That Jesus DIDN'T die?
That the Penalty God gave Adam and Eve was an Eternity in Hellfire?

(Let me know if you want MORE!)

None of them.

 

[jimb]

Nope.

Nope

Nope.


There is very little that all Christians believe. So little that "Christian" is a distinction without any worth.

Actually, a Christian is someone who has repented of her/his sins, accepted the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as penalty paid for those sins, and received eternal life.

 

[jimb]

This is what is known as deflection. It is a form of manipulation that is meant to help a person avoid responsibility or uncomfortable idea by trying to transfer blame to the person they are talking to.

Simply your (wrong) opinion. I tell you the truth and you are unable or unwilling to accept it. THAT is deflection.

 

[jimb]

I have not blamed you for anything. I have simply reminded you that it is your responsibility to make the case for your claims. That's not a moral judgement. That just reminding you of the basic rules of discourse.

I don't have to "make the case" for what I write. I write what I know and what I believe, which is in accordance with God's written word and the Holy Spirit, who guides me into all truth.

 

[jimb]

I never read every post in a thread. It's an unreasonable expectation. I'm sure I miss most of your posts, just as you have missed most of mine.

That being understood, it is nevertheless the case that I have never seen you make your case. Certainly not in the posts you have directed towards me. What I *have* seen in your posts that I have read, is that you have no awareness that you constantly confuse belief with knowledge, faith with fact.

Christian belief is knowledge and Christian faith is fact.

Faith is being sure of what is hoped for; being certain of what is not seen.

 

[Heyo]

Actually, a Christian is someone who has repented of her/his sins, accepted the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as penalty paid for those sins, and received eternal life.

And that is agreed upon by all Christian denominations?
As far as I know, Protestants aren't that much into confession.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Actually, a Christian is someone who has repented of her/his sins, accepted the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as penalty paid for those sins, and received eternal life.

This definition doesn't work. Christians exist whether or not their beliefs are true.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Christian belief is knowledge and Christian faith is fact.

Faith is being sure of what is hoped for; being certain of what is not seen.

I stand by what I said.

And Faith is NEVER evidence of fact. Plenty of Hindus have faith in Krishna. Does that make it a fact that Krishna is a real god?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I don't have to "make the case" for what I write. I write what I know and what I believe, which is in accordance with God's written word and the Holy Spirit, who guides me into all truth.

This is not a forum for preaching. It is a forum for discussion. So yeah, when you make a claim, you have a responsibility to give your reasons and evidence.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I tell you the truth and you are unable or unwilling to accept it. THAT is deflection.

No, that's called disagreement.