A question for creationists

[Heathen Hammer]

Jesus called God our Heavenly Father.
The word father means: life giver.

God as the giver of life, and being our Creator, besides Heavenly Father,
Jesus put his religious values toward God ahead of others.
In other words, we put the worship of God first ahead of others.
If another wants us to commit a sin [crime] against God we would not put their wants or needs ahead of God's standards by breaking God's standards.

God needs nothing in a material way, God wants our obedience to the Golden Rule and Jesus new commandment to have Christ-like love for others.
-John 13 vs34,35.

By applying the biblical definition of love defined at 1st Corinthians [13vs4-6]
is how we show love for others.
In contrast, it is often the world that has a selfish distorted form of love that is in sharp contrast with Godly love.
-2nd Timothy 3 vs1-5,13

If everyone lived by the Golden Rule what would the world be like?

So, you agree totally with what I said, then.

Basically you are showing that God himself has the 'selfish distorted form of love' that you quote from the gospels.

Godly love is selfish, and distorted, compared to human love. Too bad God doesn't live by the Golden Rule, hm?

 

[riley2112]

Jesus taught how it will end.

Jesus gave a composite 'sign' with many features or events attached to it in Matthew chapter 24 and Luke 21 with both a minor and a major fulfillment.

Global troubles coupled with the world-wide spreading of the good news of God's kingdom [Matthew 24v14] indicates we are nearing the time when God will use the political/military world as his 'long arm of the law' to wipe out all false religion off the face of the earth because the world's religions, including Christendom, have run afoul proving themselves false to God and his Word.

The United Nations sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world such as with religious terrorism. With backing the UN can be strengthened to go against the world's fake religious systems.
Thus they will be accomplishing God's will.
[Rev. chapters 17,18]

The words from Jesus' mouth will be as sharp as an executioner's sword and by his words he will rid the earth of the wicked.
[Isaiah 11vs3,4; Rev. 19vs11,14,15]
Then, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.

Happy ending.

how do you know that what you read in the Bible is true, and how do you know what or who Jesus is /was? Not trying to be hard here, just really would like to know why you believe the way you do .

 

[URAVIP2ME]

how do you know that what you read in the Bible is true, and how do you know what or who Jesus is /was? Not trying to be hard here, just really would like to know why you believe the way you do .

The Bible is unique in that it has corresponding passages and verses that verify each other. That shows the writers internal harmony with each other.
Since the Bible is not written ABC like a dictionary, corresponding biblical references can be found by topic or subject arrangement.
Jesus used logical reasoning on Scripture on which to base his teachings.

Can you find anything wrong with the Golden Rule, Jesus Sermon on the Mount, or Jesus new commandment of John 13vs34,35 ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So, you agree totally with what I said, then.
Basically you are showing that God himself has the 'selfish distorted form of love' that you quote from the gospels.
Godly love is selfish, and distorted, compared to human love. Too bad God doesn't live by the Golden Rule, hm?

The definition of Godly love is defined at 1st Corinthians 13 vs 4 to 6 as :

Love is: long suffering, kind, not jealous, not brag, not puffed up, not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, not become provoked, does not keep account of the injury, does not rejoice over unrighteousness, rejoices with truth.

There is only one Gospel [singular]
It is The Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John
Four writers of one Gospel.

Jesus new commandment [John 13vs34,35] goes further than the Golden Rule.
Further than love neighbor as self [Mt.23v39]
We are to love neighbor MORE than self.

 

[camanintx]

The Bible is unique in that it has corresponding passages and verses that verify each other. That shows the writers internal harmony with each other.

Internal consistency is not an indication of truth, otherwise Sherlock Holmes and Harry Potter would be real people.

Can you find anything wrong with the Golden Rule, Jesus Sermon on the Mount, or Jesus new commandment of John 13vs34,35 ?

I can't find anything wrong with the Tao of Pooh either but that doesn't make Christoper Robin the son of God.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Internal consistency is not an indication of truth, otherwise Sherlock Holmes and Harry Potter would be real people.
I can't find anything wrong with the Tao of Pooh either but that doesn't make Christoper Robin the son of God.

Corresponding or parallel reference verses and passages are found in Scripture.
What corresponding verses do you find in the Tao of Pooh ?

 

[riley2112]

The Bible is unique in that it has corresponding passages and verses that verify each other. That shows the writers internal harmony with each other.
Since the Bible is not written ABC like a dictionary, corresponding biblical references can be found by topic or subject arrangement.
Jesus used logical reasoning on Scripture on which to base his teachings.

Can you find anything wrong with the Golden Rule, Jesus Sermon on the Mount, or Jesus new commandment of John 13vs34,35 ?

I understand that the Bible is indeed , unique. However again, my question is how or why do you believe it is the word of God. Also is it to be taken word for word or just as stories that direct us in the direction we should go. I guess what I am asking is why would I trust this one Book with my ever lasting soul. How do you know it is the right one? And please understand , that I am not saying it isn't. Just wondering.

 

[Iti oj]

crunch singularity bang. rubber band theory.

 

[camanintx]

Corresponding or parallel reference verses and passages are found in Scripture.

Such as?

What corresponding verses do you find in the Tao of Pooh ?

I wasn't using the Tao of Pooh as an example of corresponding or parallel references.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I understand that the Bible is indeed , unique. However again, my question is how or why do you believe it is the word of God. Also is it to be taken word for word or just as stories that direct us in the direction we should go. I guess what I am asking is why would I trust this one Book with my ever lasting soul. How do you know it is the right one? And please understand , that I am not saying it isn't. Just wondering.

First of all, there is a difference between the 'biblical soul' and the non-biblical teaching of the soul.
The 'everlasting soul' [immortal / death proof soul] is Not taught in Scripture.
Adam became a living soul after he received the breath of life.
Once Adam lost the breath of life Adam became a dead soul or lifeless soul.
Adam died because he sinned. [broke God's law/ disobeyed God]
Ezekiel [18vs4,20] teaches: the soul that sins dies.
Acts [3v23] also mention: the soul can be destroyed.
If the soul was everlasting what would be the need for a resurrection?

Jesus teachings do guide and direct such as with the Golden Rule, Jesus Sermon on the Mount, and Jesus new commandment of John 13vs34,35 to love as he loved. Can you find fault with Jesus teachings ?

Jesus parables or illustrations are not literal but stories to teach.

Revelation is written in very-vivid word pictures that compared with other Scriptures can show us God's original purpose to completion.

If you had a beautiful garden, and someone interrupted you while in your garden, would you throw your hands up in the air and say, "That's it, I am not going back to the garden." Or rather, once the interruption was over wouldn't you go back to your garden ?

The 'interruption' in Eden did not mean God abandoned his original purpose for earth to be populated by descendants of Adam and Eve [us], and that the Garden of Eden should be expanded until it covered the whole globe.

Before that could be realized, besides for time allowing us to be born,
all wickedness would have to be removed from earth.
Who would prove to be righteous and who would prove to be wicked could not come about until a final end of badness on earth or final separation of people.
[Matthew 25vs31,32]

Jesus 'composite sign' with many global features and events to me are unfolding before our eyes. [Matthew 24 and Luke 21]
There was a minor fulfillment in the year 70 CE,
and we can see an unfolding of the major fulfillment in our time frame.

There are three groups of world powers, so to speak, described at Revelation chapters 17 and 18.
The kings stand for the world's political sector,
and the merchants for the world's commercial empire,
lastly is Babylon the Great, or the world's false religious systems out of harmony with Scripture. The world's religious systems can trace their roots or beliefs back to ancient pagan Babylon. As the peoples left Babylon they took their old pagan religious concepts and ideas and spread them into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. They is why we see similar or overlapping concepts in the world's religions such as: soul immortality.

Instead of teaching an indestructible soul, what the Bible really teaches is resurrection of the dead soul to either life in heaven for some, [Rev 20v6; 14v4; 5vs9,10], or a resurrection on earth for the majority at the time of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth when Jesus will usher in global Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.
-Psalm 72v8

Jesus used logical reasoning on Scripture as to how and why he believed what he taught. I find that logical reasoning on Jesus teachings shows how and why we should believe as he believed.
What on the world scene today is out of harmony with Scripture ?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Such as?

Pick a verse or a passage and I will relate to you the corresponding verses.

I like Luke [10v27] that corresponds or relates to:
Deuteronomy 6v5;10v12;11v22; Joshua 22v5; Mark 12v30; Leviticus 19v18; Matthew 19v19; Romans 13v9; Galatians 5v14; and James 2v8.

 

[riley2112]

First of all, there is a difference between the 'biblical soul' and the non-biblical teaching of the soul.
The 'everlasting soul' [immortal / death proof soul] is Not taught in Scripture.
Adam became a living soul after he received the breath of life.
Once Adam lost the breath of life Adam became a dead soul or lifeless soul.
Adam died because he sinned. [broke God's law/ disobeyed God]
Ezekiel [18vs4,20] teaches: the soul that sins dies.
Acts [3v23] also mention: the soul can be destroyed.
If the soul was everlasting what would be the need for a resurrection?

That I understand.

Jesus teachings do guide and direct such as with the Golden Rule, Jesus Sermon on the Mount, and Jesus new commandment of John 13vs34,35 to love as he loved. Can you find fault with Jesus teachings ?

most of his teachings seems to be a good way to live , however some of them are , well , a little difficult to handle. Not only from Jesus but from God him self. He seem so be , let us say , a little hard on people that don't agree with his way of thinking.

Jesus parables or illustrations are not literal but stories to teach

.so you are saying to that none of the Bible as literal?

Revelation is written in very-vivid word pictures that compared with other Scriptures can show us God's original purpose to completion.

If you had a beautiful garden, and someone interrupted you while in your garden, would you throw your hands up in the air and say, "That's it, I am not going back to the garden." Or rather, once the interruption was over wouldn't you go back to your garden ?

The 'interruption' in Eden did not mean God abandoned his original purpose for earth to be populated by descendants of Adam and Eve [us], and that the Garden of Eden should be expanded until it covered the whole globe.

Before that could be realized, besides for time allowing us to be born,
all wickedness would have to be removed from earth.
Who would prove to be righteous and who would prove to be wicked could not come about until a final end of badness on earth or final separation of people.
[Matthew 25vs31,32]

Jesus 'composite sign' with many global features and events to me are unfolding before our eyes. [Matthew 24 and Luke 21]
There was a minor fulfillment in the year 70 CE,
and we can see an unfolding of the major fulfillment in our time frame.

There are three groups of world powers, so to speak, described at Revelation chapters 17 and 18.
The kings stand for the world's political sector,
and the merchants for the world's commercial empire,
lastly is Babylon the Great, or the world's false religious systems out of harmony with Scripture. The world's religious systems can trace their roots or beliefs back to ancient pagan Babylon. As the peoples left Babylon they took their old pagan religious concepts and ideas and spread them into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. They is why we see similar or overlapping concepts in the world's religions such as: soul immortality.

Instead of teaching an indestructible soul, what the Bible really teaches is resurrection of the dead soul to either life in heaven for some, [Rev 20v6; 14v4; 5vs9,10], or a resurrection on earth for the majority at the time of Jesus 1000-year reign over earth when Jesus will usher in global Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.
-Psalm 72v8

Jesus used logical reasoning on Scripture as to how and why he believed what he taught. I find that logical reasoning on Jesus teachings shows how and why we should believe as he believed.
What on the world scene today is out of harmony with Scripture ?

If God is all powerful , all knowing, then one must contend that in creating man and placing him in an environment where falling was the likely outcome, then obviously God would have had to have man’s fall as a part of His plan. That is not so hard to accept, if you are a Christian, however if you do not believe in a Creator then this is one of the main reasons that is used to say that a loving God could not exist. Logic would render the suggestion that any plan that requires suffering to be not only inescapably unnecessary, but contradictory because of God’s ability to do anything. Leaving only the possibility that God created us to suffer for the purpose of suffering.
I am sure that this has been covered here before.However for A God that is said to be never changing and all loving, He does seem to cause or create a lot of problems that brings the death of a lot of people. Even the flood with Noah, I mean , talk about erasing about everything and starting over. I have a small problem believing a
God that is perfect and all knowing would make a world where it would be needed to just erase it. I am trying to understand , However God or Jesus does not seem to want to make it easy to understand.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

The definition of Godly love is defined at 1st Corinthians 13 vs 4 to 6 as :

Love is: long suffering, kind, not jealous, not brag, not puffed up, not behave indecently, does not look for its own interests, not become provoked, does not keep account of the injury, does not rejoice over unrighteousness, rejoices with truth.

QED
God displays none of these qualities himself. It's what he expects of US. Are you not able to read what I am typing?

There is only one Gospel [singular]
It is The Gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John
Four writers of one Gospel.

They are four different gospels. Now you are simply being contrary for its own sake.

Jesus new commandment [John 13vs34,35] goes further than the Golden Rule.
Further than love neighbor as self [Mt.23v39]
We are to love neighbor MORE than self.

Irrelevant to my point.


Point remains unrefuted: Godly love is worse than human love. We do it better than he does.

 

[riley2112]

QED





Point remains unrefuted: Godly love is worse than human love. We do it better than he does.

But does he want us to do it better? Did Jesus not say this? “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.
So once again I ask , are we cherry picking the thing or looking at the whole story, it makes a difference.

 

[camanintx]

Pick a verse or a passage and I will relate to you the corresponding verses.

I like Luke [10v27] that corresponds or relates to:
Deuteronomy 6v5;10v12;11v22; Joshua 22v5; Mark 12v30; Leviticus 19v18; Matthew 19v19; Romans 13v9; Galatians 5v14; and James 2v8.

So what? There are countless examples of corresponding passages in Sherlock Holmes novels and the Harry Potter series but that doesn't make these characters real or Divine.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So what? There are countless examples of corresponding passages in Sherlock Holmes novels and the Harry Potter series but that doesn't make these characters real or Divine.

Please post examples of those countless corresponding verses that you mention.

Did Holmes or Potter have 40 different writers to compare with ?

 

[Tiberius]

Both are one and the same thing.

_/\_
Chinu

Then why call it God?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

But does he want us to do it better? Did Jesus not say this? “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple.
So once again I ask , are we cherry picking the thing or looking at the whole story, it makes a difference.

Yes agree that one verse can be cherry picking, whereas looking at the whole story [all Scripture -2nd Tim 3vs16,17] makes the Bible as a whole.

Love God with one's 'whole' heart, mind, soul and strength [Luke 10v27]
would include loving others to a lesser degree. Less than 'whole',
or complete love toward a creation over the Creator.

Jesus curing or healing and feeding crowds showed love for them.
By Jesus putting his Father's will ahead of his own will was for the benefit of all.

So if a person loves another person more than God then that person becomes their god.

If a person wanted you to become a thief for him would you do it?
If a person wanted you to murder for him would you do it ?

Hate in Scripture does not have to mean malice, but just love another to a lesser degree than one would love God.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

If God is all powerful , all knowing, then one must contend that in creating man and placing him in an environment where falling was the likely outcome, then obviously God would have had to have man’s fall as a part of His plan. That is not so hard to accept, if you are a Christian, however if you do not believe in a Creator then this is one of the main reasons that is used to say that a loving God could not exist. Logic would render the suggestion that any plan that requires suffering to be not only inescapably unnecessary, but contradictory because of God’s ability to do anything. Leaving only the possibility that God created us to suffer for the purpose of suffering.
I am sure that this has been covered here before.However for A God that is said to be never changing and all loving, He does seem to cause or create a lot of problems that brings the death of a lot of people. Even the flood with Noah, I mean , talk about erasing about everything and starting over. I have a small problem believing a
God that is perfect and all knowing would make a world where it would be needed to just erase it. I am trying to understand , However God or Jesus does not seem to want to make it easy to understand.

If the violent people of Noah's day would have killed off Noah and his family there would have been no one righteous on earth to fulfill the first prophecy of Genesis 3v15 that there would be a promised 'seed' to come.

Wasn't Adam in a perfect environment ?
How many tress are on earth ?_________
Out of all the trees on earth God had one tree that by saying don't eat was like putting up a no trespassing sign.

God by giving Adam the choice, creating Adam as a free moral agent, meant that Adam was Not a robot or automaton, but had free will to obey or not.

 

[Tiberius]

Please post examples of those countless corresponding verses that you mention.

Did Holmes or Potter have 40 different writers to compare with ?

What about the Star Wars or Star Trek novels? They are written by many different people and yet they tie in together.