camanintx
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So something existed before the Big Bang. How do you know it was God?
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A question for creationists
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According to Scripture God existed before anything else. [Psalm 90v2]
Of course no one was around to see that, but what we can observe of creation, and of all the 'holy' books only the Bible I think gives satisfactory answers to life's questions.
So, you don't know. You believe.
Jesus believed what was recorded in the Hebrew OT Scriptures. [John 17v17]
Jesus based his believing on logical reasoning on the Scriptures.
What do you find wrong with Jesus' teachings ?
He just changed some of it.:sorry1:
There's absolutely no logic in the Old testament at all.:sorry1:
Well, he alledgedly said he came to put family members against each other, that he came not to bring peace, but the sword, etc.
What did Jesus change?
Was was not logic ?
Was it Jesus actually doing the separating or rather family members going against Jesus teachings that causes division ? [Matthew 10vs22,33-42]
At first some of Jesus own family members did not believe, but that did not mean as time passed they did not come to see Jesus was right.
Jesus often prefaced his statements with the words, "It is written".
'Written' in the Hebrew Scriptures. Jesus made logical application of the already written Hebrew Scriptures even when refuting Satan.
Fulfilling the Hebrew Scriptures was Not changing what was written,
but showing how it applied to Jesus as Messiah.
Now there would be No distinction between Jew and non-Jew.
[Acts 15 vs9,10]
Peter spoke of why put back the 'yoke' [Mosaic law] since even the Jews were not able to successfully keep it. [Only Jesus kept the law perfectly]
camanintx
Well-Known Member
It's easy to find consistency when dealing with works of fiction. Harry Potter defeated Lord Voldermort in The Deathly Hallows just as was fortold in The Order of the Phoenix. That doesn't make his existence any more real.
Trying to rationalise the disgusting things that Jesus preached away, I see.
From the New International Version, 1984 Matthew 10 NIV 1984
Disgusting teachings. According to your own ook this fictional character actually preached that it was him doing turning of family members against each other. You trying to rationalise this peace to pretend that the people do the turning won't work. People can read.NIV said:
Matthew [10vs 34-42] is showing the result of family members Not accepting a family member becoming a follower of Jesus.
At first some of Jesus own family thought he had gone mad.
That does not mean they remained in that thinking.
It is family members that choose to reject or oppose.
Luke [12vss49, 51-53] also mentions Jesus sending 'fire' that would kindle.
Jesus teachings would 'set things aflame' in a spiritual way.
The family would be against that family member becoming spiritual.
-Micah 7 vs6-8
Should Jesus have put his family members ahead of God?
What would have been in their best interest?
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
It is unlikely you've read that many other holy books.
Trying to rationalize those verses away again. Jesus' teachings were disgusting. We can all read. He came to divide families. He came to to make war. He said it himself (according to your scriptures).
Well, if your holy books were true, it would have been in their best interest if Jesus just waved his magic wand and everyone became believers. That would have been in their best interest. No burning for all eternity for anyone.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
True love actually places the needs of the loved ones ahead of one's own needs. So, yes, Jesus should have put his family members ahead of God. After all, his family are the ones in most need; God needs nothing.
It always puzzled me how the God of 'perfect' love ALWAYS puts his own needs and designs ahead of the needs and designs of his 'loved ones'.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
Hm. Uravip2me could possibly be referencing Jesus' brothers and sisters, after the first time he went into the synagogue to preach? Or maybe just the villagers of Nazareth? Hard to say.
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I think that an eternally existing energy is possible.
(But, I think that our persepective in looking at energy only within the conservational field is what is keeping us from seeing it. The laws of physics that seem to indicate eternally existing energy to be impossible may be completely accurate within the conservational field and simply not apply elsewhere.) We will have to confront what science is now calling infinity (treated as a "leftover"), and that we will find it there.
Isn't there some evidence of eternally abundant energy in the recent scientific understanding that the universe is expanding -- rather than contracting? How is that the universe has not already consumed itself? Instead, it is expanding.
Are you considering that the "Big Bang" was the beginning of the universe? Perhaps it was the beginning of what we are able to perceive at this point. But, from my understanding, in order for there to be an explosion, there must first be compression. If there was compression, what was compressed?
Jesus called God our Heavenly Father.
The word father means: life giver.
God as the giver of life, and being our Creator, besides Heavenly Father,
Jesus put his religious values toward God ahead of others.
In other words, we put the worship of God first ahead of others.
If another wants us to commit a sin [crime] against God we would not put their wants or needs ahead of God's standards by breaking God's standards.
God needs nothing in a material way, God wants our obedience to the Golden Rule and Jesus new commandment to have Christ-like love for others.
-John 13 vs34,35.
By applying the biblical definition of love defined at 1st Corinthians [13vs4-6]
is how we show love for others.
In contrast, it is often the world that has a selfish distorted form of love that is in sharp contrast with Godly love.
-2nd Timothy 3 vs1-5,13
If everyone lived by the Golden Rule what would the world be like?
Jesus fleshly brothers:
James, Joseph, Simon and Judas and at least 2 un-named sisters.
see: Matthew 13 vs55,56; 12 vs47,49
Jesus also viewed his 'spiritual brothers and sisters' as family. [12v50]
riley2112
Active Member
why don't everyone just admit it , we can guess all night, you can be educated at Yale , But truth be known. Nobody knows what happen , how we got here, why we are here or how it will end. If we did then forums like this would be a waste of time. I am like you and can only guess about what happened . anybody that claims to know for sure is well , wrong. sorry.
Jesus taught how it will end.
Jesus gave a composite 'sign' with many features or events attached to it in Matthew chapter 24 and Luke 21 with both a minor and a major fulfillment.
Global troubles coupled with the world-wide spreading of the good news of God's kingdom [Matthew 24v14] indicates we are nearing the time when God will use the political/military world as his 'long arm of the law' to wipe out all false religion off the face of the earth because the world's religions, including Christendom, have run afoul proving themselves false to God and his Word.
The United Nations sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world such as with religious terrorism. With backing the UN can be strengthened to go against the world's fake religious systems.
Thus they will be accomplishing God's will.
[Rev. chapters 17,18]
The words from Jesus' mouth will be as sharp as an executioner's sword and by his words he will rid the earth of the wicked.
[Isaiah 11vs3,4; Rev. 19vs11,14,15]
Then, Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth toward men of goodwill.
Happy ending.