A Universe from Nothing?

[Rick O'Shez]

What lies outside of brains?

Zombies?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You imply that it was on the edge, and that is what the 'established' science community thought about it. Just goes to show you that ignorance permeates even the scientific mind, which today continues to cling to the dead materialist paradigm even in light of Quantum Physics.

The same old new-age rhetoric, we have heard this a million times before and it is deeply boring. It is like you have a box of cliches and keep recycling them. Can't you change the record?

Obviously quantum mechanics has changed the way we view things, but that isn't an excuse to indulge in pseudo-science and woo.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Quantum_consciousness

 

[Rick O'Shez]

This cosmic consciousness that you believe in required as much blind faith as any other religions...you are wishing that these exist, and you are twisting science to fit in with your set of belief. It is no better than pseudoscience Discovery Institute's propaganda on Intelligent Design.
Your cosmic Consciousness bears a great deal of resemblance to the debunked Intelligent Design, and they keep beating repeatedly dead horse, no matter how many times their pseudoscience claims get "refuted".

I was thinking that myself. In both cases the starting point is a religious belief, people then scrabble around twisting the facts in an attempt to make their belief sound credible. Unsuccessfully.

The only differences between the Discovery Institute and your set of beliefs is that it has root in Christian creationism, but you are using Buddhism to empower your own personal dogma, not realising that it is your maya that's blinding you.

Though the new-age dogma being preached here is much more like Hinduism than Buddhism, and Buddhist teachings like sunyata actually contradict what is being claimed.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Beliefs are the product of thought. Realization occurs without thought and therefore cannot be belief.

Strange then that you have so many thoughts, beliefs and opinions, and a strong need to tell everybody about them.

 

[godnotgod]

Duh! Everything takes place inside the two brains.

DUH! More accurately, inside the first, which is then transmitted SIGNALESSLY to the second brain NONLOCALLY.

How do you explain this in terms of your rational mind?

I really don't think you have a grasp as to what is really going on here.

 

[godnotgod]

Which again, has nothing to with the universe bring bloody conscious.
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Can you answer the question? 'What lies outside of and between brains?'

 

[godnotgod]

Gee, how I hate it when people claim "Pure" this, or "Absolute" that....

What's wrong with you? You have some kind of red hair up your #@&* or something, that gets you all riled up?

Calm down and use your head, OK?

'Pure' here simply means 'clear', OK? As in 'uncontaminated', or 'unobstructed', where there is nothing to obstruct one's view. In that respect, it is Nothing, because Nothing is the purest, clearest state there can possibly be. You know: 'On a clear day you can see forever', like that. Now stop your whining and thrashing about.

'Absolute' simply means That which has no relative 'other' to which it can be compared. 'The Absolute' is none other than The Universe itself. Understand? No big thing, once you calm down so you can just SEE, see?

Any more vitriol you need to unload?

 

[godnotgod]

Quantum mechanics does not invalidate materialism. Just because particles dissolve into probability waves when not observed does not at all disprove materialism, since that is just an interpretation not a description of what actually happens. Quantum mechanics in no way says that the mind exists or that material objects don't. At best it is saying that our logic is faulty.

It says two things about 'material' reality that are germane to the discussion: one is that what were previously thought of as 'material objects' are now seen as 'possibility'. The second is that all of the mass of the atom is virtual mass, created by fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs Fields. Therefore, this 'material world' is a virtual reality:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16095-its-confirmed-matter-is-merely-vacuum-fluctuations/

The Hindus have known that this 'material' world is an illusion (maya) for over 4000 years. They simply cut to the very heart of the matter to understand this directly, while science is taking the long way home, by using analysis and reductionism.

 

[godnotgod]

trick question?

Why are you taking a simple and direct inquiry and twisting it into something you are suspicious about? When confronted with the truth, you think someone is trying to fool you?

 

[ak.yonathan]

It says two things about 'material' reality that are germane to the discussion: one is that what were previously thought of as 'material objects' are now seen as 'possibility'.

Like I said that is just an interpretation of quantum mechanics, it doesn't necessarily depict what is actually going on. What you're touching on here is the wave-particle duality, it may be weird, but like I said it could just be that our logic is faulty.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

'Pure' here simply means 'clear', OK? As in 'uncontaminated', or 'unobstructed', where there is nothing to obstruct one's view. In that respect, it is Nothing, because Nothing is the purest, clearest state there can possibly be. You know: 'On a clear day you can see forever', like that. Now stop your whining and thrashing about.

People are understandably objecting to your continual use of ill-defined new-age jargon, and your inability to use plain English. It's a shame you cannot explain yourself without resorting to ad homs.

So "clear" is "Nothing"? That is nonsensical. And how is "Nothing" a "state"? A state of what?

Absolute' simply means That which has no relative 'other' to which it can be compared. 'The Absolute' is none other than The Universe itself. Understand? No big thing, once you calm down so you can just SEE, see?
Any more vitriol you need to unload?

You are the one unloading vitriol. Anyway, if you are talking about the universe, then just say "universe". Your ill-defined Pretentious Proper Nouns are superfluous and confusing, and another sign of your egocentricity and arrogance.

 

[godnotgod]

Zombies?

How Muldoon looks today after 30 years of intensive Buddhist meditation which only resulted in the Unenlightened State of 'Muddled Mind, a new age religion he himself created. His new doctrine one is brainwashed with is: There is no Enlightenment; there is only Absolute Muddled Mind, and you already have it, or rather, it has you, nyah, ha ha.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Why are you taking a simple and direct inquiry and twisting it into something you are suspicious about?

Probably something to do with the fact that it is you asking the question.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

How Muldoon looks today after 30 years of intensive Buddhist meditation which only resulted in the Unenlightened State of 'Muddled Mind, a new age religion he himself created. His new doctrine one is brainwashed with is: There is no Enlightenment; there is only Absolute Muddled Mind, and you already have it, or rather, it has you, nyah, ha ha.

This kind of stuff only makes you look more foolish and pathetic. Everyone here can see what you are, an arrogant preachy new-ager on an attention-seeking ego-trip.

 

[godnotgod]

People are understandably objecting to your continual use of ill-defined new-age jargon, and your inability to use plain English. It's a shame you cannot explain yourself without resorting to ad homs.

So "clear" is "Nothing"? That is nonsensical. And how is "Nothing" a "state"? A state of what?

Sunyata, Emptiness, Void, Nothingness.....

"The Void is the philosophical concept of nothingness manifested. The notion of The Void is relevant to several realms of metaphysics. The Void is also prevalent in numerous facets of psychology, notably logotherapy.

The manifestation of nothingness is closely associated with the contemplation of emptiness, and with human attempts to identify and personify it. As such, the concept of The Void, and ideas similar to it, have a significant and historically evolving presence in artistic and creative expression, as well as in academic, scientific and philosophical debate surrounding the nature of the human condition.

In this sense, knowledge or experience of the Void could be said to actually be unknowing, given its inherent ineffability. In Western mystical traditions, it was often argued that the transcendent 'Ground of Being' could therefore be approached through aphairesis, a form of negation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Void_(philosophy)

"Negate negation"
Buddha*

*Not a fake quote.

, if you are talking about the universe, then just say "universe". Your Pretentious Proper Nouns are superfluous and confusing.

Most people do not understand that the Universe is not just an absolute, but is The Absolute. By explaining this to them, what the nature of The Universe is becomes less confusing.

 

[godnotgod]

This kind of stuff only makes you look more foolish and pathetic. Everyone here can see what you are, an arrogant preachy new-ager on an attention-seeking ego-trip.

This post is fine example of what Muldoon has accomplished after 30 years of intensive meditation, the highest state that man can reach, according to his new religion, this state newly dubbed 'Supreme Muddle'. Lord Muldoon is the only human in the world today who has achieved this laudable state, which has caused his arch-rival, Lord Dipak Chop Chop to become extremely jealous. But Muldoon is not phased one iota, and simply laughs off such silliness, thanks to his newly hardened brain, steeped in those stagnant backwaters of Theravada as they are.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Sunyata, Emptiness, Void, Nothingness.....

"The Void is the philosophical concept of nothingness manifested. The notion of The Void is relevant to several realms of metaphysics. The Void is also prevalent in numerous facets of psychology, notably logotherapy.

The manifestation of nothingness is closely associated with the contemplation of emptiness, and with human attempts to identify and personify it. As such, the concept of The Void, and ideas similar to it, have a significant and historically evolving presence in artistic and creative expression, as well as in academic, scientific and philosophical debate surrounding the nature of the human condition.

In this sense, knowledge or experience of the Void could be said to actually be unknowing, given its inherent ineffability. In Western mystical traditions, it was often argued that the transcendent 'Ground of Being' could therefore be approached through aphairesis, a form of negation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Void_(philosophy)

"Negate negation"
Buddha*

*Not a fake quote.



Most people do not understand that the Universe is not just an absolute, but is The Absolute. By explaining this to them, what the nature of The Universe is becomes less confusing.

Another load of pointless quote-mining, which fails to answer the questions I actually put to you.

By the way, sunyata means lack of inherent existence, not nothing. Sunyata applies to consciousness too, so consciousness lacks inherent existence, it doesn't exist from it's own side and only arises in dependence on conditions. So sunyata invalidates your new-age beliefs like "Cosmic Consciousness" and the big bang being an "event in consciousness".

It is beyond me why you harp on about Buddhist teachings that contradict your claims, particularly given that the new-age dogma you preach is a sort of pseudo-Hinduism. It is also beyond me why you pretend to be a Zennie, when the Zen approach is diametrically opposed to your convoluted new-age metaphysical nonsense.

 

[godnotgod]

Probably something to do with the fact that it is you asking the question.

Yet another vicious predictable knee jerky salivating Pavlovian bell ringing attack on the pointing finger.

The definition of madness is to keep banging one's head into the same stone wall and expecting different results....or in this case, dropping the proverbial brick on the proverbial foot.

 

[godnotgod]

Another load of pointless quote-mining, which fails to answer the questions I actually put to you.

By the way, sunyata means lack of inherent existence, not nothing, and it contradicts your silly new-age beliefs.

I'll trust Wikipedia more than your new age religious views known as the Muddle doctrine. It's still too new to be trusted. Zen tells me it takes 7 full years to get over the stench of Supreme Muddle. Oh, the stench! eeewwww.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Yet another vicious predictable knee jerky salivating Pavlovian bell ringing attack on the pointing finger.

No, I think it was an accurate observation, people here know your tricks by now. You are the one who indulges in vicious knee-jerk attacks, so as usual you are projecting out your nastiness onto other people.