godnotgod
Thou art That
What? Logic, faulty? Quick, get the fire extinguisher! The brain is smoking hot!
"Dave, I think my mind is going. Dave?"
HAL 9000, 2001, A Space Odyssey.
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A Universe from Nothing?
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What? Logic, faulty? Quick, get the fire extinguisher! The brain is smoking hot!
"Dave, I think my mind is going. Dave?"
HAL 9000, 2001, A Space Odyssey.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
You quote-mined stuff about the void, not about sunyata.
Here is the entry for sunyata: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Śūnyatā
"In Mahayana, Sunyata refers to the precept that "all things are empty of intrinsic existence and nature"."
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Again with the sarcasm. What a nasty piece of work you are.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I could be Satan, you know. How do you know I'm not Satan, eh? Nyah ha ha
I think you are just a rather nasty and immature character on an attention-seeking ego-trip.
godnotgod
Thou art That
The Heavens will reverberate with 'Allelujah Allelujah Allelujah', and the Buddhists will chant 'Tutti Tutti, Vutti Vutti,....."
godnotgod
Thou art That
I feel a wonderfully beautiful inner glow, lately. BTW, you look simply ravishing this evening in your new incarnation. May I be so bold as to inquire which brand of tooth paste? Such a wonderful smile. Must be that state of Supreme Muddle you've achieved of late. Simply stunning, I must admit. You may go to your room, now.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Really? And this is not the sign of a nasty sophomoric attention-seeking ego-trip:
godnotgod
Thou art That
godnotgod
Thou art That
That's not why it invalidates materialism. It's because QM says that all of the mass of the atom is virtual mass, and because what we used to call 'material objects' are now understood as possibility.
The new study called Field Theory says that the particle point is completely a product of fluctuations in the surrounding field. In the same vein, the Universe is all about the background or field against which it exists called The Absolute, or The Unified Field. This Unified Field is Pure Abstract Intelligence.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Nothingness is absolute Emptiness. The entire Universe is empty of inherent self-nature. That is the Void.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Let's assume you are correct, and a blade of grass utilizes no consciousness, and obviously no brain to know how to manufacture its own food. What level of intelligence would you, as a human, require to synthesize your own food within your own body? Here, the blade of grass can do it without consciousness or a brain, but you cannot, with both. What does this point to?
Consciousness is not an anthropomorphic description of nature.
So you are implying that we modern apes DO understand nature, and yet, our environment is in a complete mess, including our own human natures, as the sad state of the world is testament to. I would have to say that we have far less an understanding of nature, primarily because, with our modern technologies, we continue on a ruinous path of self destruction. In spite of knowing where it ultimately will lead, we forge ahead anyway, against our own Reason and Logic. The ancients respected nature, and even were in awe of it; we want to dissect it and reduce it to nothing with our clinical sterile scientific analysis of it, and ultimately control and even replace it with artificial life. This is how insane we have become in the name of 'science'. It's obscene.
It is what allows you to ask the question you just asked.
Higher Consciousness and Enlightenment have been around far longer than science, like at least 4000 years ago.
It's not consciousness that is controlling everything; it is ego. The conscious Universe is unfolding effortlessly. It is because ego wants to maintain control and power that we are in the mess we are in. Religion and Science are extensions of this egoic control. The ego wants eternal existence and gratification, and will do everything in the book to get it.
Consciousness just allows everything to unfold naturally and effortlessly, hand in glove, without interfering in or dominating its unfolding. You have the wrong idea here.
...that is, unless you are a physicist who has matured sufficiently to know how to read the writing on the wall, physicists such as Goswami, Capra, Penrose, Hagelin, Planck, Dyson, et al.
You are a very confused individual. They are not alike at all. Cosmic Consciousness is simply a view into the true nature of Reality, while ID is about a designer of the design. You like to make things up in your head, do you? You are not reading things correctly, and this is obvious throughout your posts. Stop. Slow down and take your time. Go over and over an idea until it is crystal clear to you. Don't just jump to conclusions like a few of the other posters here on this forum who are simply grasping at straws.
I want you to tell me exactly what you think my personal dogma is. You can't because there is no doctrine associated with what I am saying.
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ak.yonathan
Active Member
Can you prove that our logic is always in accord with reality?
godnotgod
Thou art That
No, Consciousness is projecting itself as The Universe.
If Consciousness were a human quality, we would have no trouble understanding what it is, but to this day, it is still a complete mystery to the average Joe. We don't understand it because we are using the wrong tools to do so. Reason, Logic, and Analysis simply do not cut the mustard. Mind is a human quality. Consciousness is a non-local universal quality we only think is a personal quality, as in 'MY' consciousness. It isn't.
godnotgod
Thou art That
In the John Hagelin video I posted, he said this (paraphrased):
"A wave function is a vector in a linear space. What is a vector in a linear space? It is made of the same substance thoughts are made of. We are living in a thought universe; a conceptual universe. Quantum Mechanics is just a play and display of potentiality. The deeper we go, the less material the universe becomes, the more conscious it becomes. When you get to the very foundation, The Unified Field, it's simply a field of Pure Being; Pure Intelligence, or Information."
So he establishes the link from the 'material' world to the source of the material world, which is information, or Pure Abstract Intelligence, or waves of potential.
"A wave function is a vector in a linear space. What is a vector in a linear space? It is made of the same substance thoughts are made of. We are living in a thought universe; a conceptual universe. Quantum Mechanics is just a play and display of potentiality. The deeper we go, the less material the universe becomes, the more conscious it becomes. When you get to the very foundation, The Unified Field, it's simply a field of Pure Being; Pure Intelligence, or Information."
So he establishes the link from the 'material' world to the source of the material world, which is information, or Pure Abstract Intelligence, or waves of potential.
godnotgod
Thou art That
I take reality to mean nature. No, Logic is not in accord with nature, which is why nature continues to be a paradox to the rational mind, because Logic wants to figure it out, when there is nothing to figure out. The apprehension of Reality is beyond Logic and Reason, which is exactly why the mystic transcends them to reach higher ground. This involves a radical transformation of consciousness which essentially amounts to vision correction, in which what we thought was the case, is not actually the case. Quantum Mechanics is providing a glimpse into this non-rational world, the world of The Unified Field, the world of Pure Being.
from “The Way of Chuang Tzu,” trans Merton:
*The Lost Pearl*
The Yellow Emperor went wandering
To the north of the Red Water
To the Kwan Lun mountain. He looked
around
Over the edge of the world. On the way
home
He lost his night-colored pearl*.
He sent out Science to seek his pearl,
and got nothing.
He sent Analysis to look for his pearl,
and got nothing.
He sent out Logic to seek his pearl,
and got nothing.
Then he asked Nothingness, and
Nothingness had it!
The Yellow Emperor said:
“Strange, indeed: Nothingness
Who was not sent
Who did no work to find it
Had the night-colored pearl!”
https://nonduality.org/tag/chuang-tzu/
*Night colored pearl = true nature.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
I can't for the life of me understand why you call yourself 'gnostic'. A gnostic accesses the source from within; it is a mystical, intuitive path, with no science involved in the experience. You don't seem to have even a basic understanding of this path. You appear to pursue more of a materialist/scientific/rational approach. In fact, Gnosticism is anti-materialistic, even to the point of considering matter to be evil. A gnostic you are not.
I will leave you with one last thought, and this is not a joke:
Who, or what, is it that has had enough bull?
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gnostic
The Lost One
And you are egotistical AH. You truly can't help yourself by being a j3rk.
It is just a name, I don't claim to be "gnostic" or follow Gnosticism. It is a name that I chose when I joined Islam dot com (before joining RF), because "agnostic" was already taken, and at the time I was reading some works from the gnostic codices from the Nag Hammadi Library. This was before joining RF here in 2006, I chose to keep the same name as the previous forum.
At that time I was still working on my website, Timeless Myths, and I was interested in reading all sorts of creation myths, including those found in Gnosticism (eg Apocryphon of John, On the Origin of the World, and The Hypostasis of the Archons).
I was there for the storytelling, not to follow any belief system or to be a mystic.
I am an amateur mythographer or mythologist. I read and research any myth that I am interested in, hopefully that I would understand what I am reading, but that doesn't mean that I believe them to be real or true.
My favourite is Greek mythology and ancient Greek literature, doesn't that mean I actually have to believe and worship Zeus or Aphrodite or Dionysus?
I have read Norse literature, does that mean that Odin, Thor or Freyja is the deity that I would worship. I love reading stories about Re, Isis and Horus, do you think I will build a temple in their names. And if I read the Sumerian myths about Enki and Enlil, do you think I would pray to them.
Likewise, I am interested in Gnosticism, but only for their literature, their stories and their myths, not because I have to follow gnostic mysticism.
Just because I chose a particular name, doesn't mean that I am that.
You don't know me, so stop being a class A j3rk, trying to put me in your pigeonhole.
godnotgod
Thou art That
I did no such thing; it is you who did it by labeling yourself erroneously.
Your avatar name is obviously misleading, esp on a religious forum. What did you expect? If you want others to 'know you', then your first step forward by misleading them is the wrong move.
Why do you feel a need to stoop to ad hominem attacks? Is it because I do not accept your erroneous logic and you now feel miffed?