A Universe from Nothing?

[gnostic]

I did no such thing; it is you who did it by labeling yourself erroneously.

Your avatar name is obviously misleading, esp on a religious forum. What did you expect? If you want others to 'know you', then your first step forward by misleading them is the wrong move.

Why do you feel a need to stoop to ad hominem attacks? Is it because I do not accept your erroneous logic and you now feel miffed?

What are you, godnotgod? A name-Nazi or naming drill-sergeant?

Who said the name of the avatar have to describe exactly who the person is?

What is to you, that I chose that name? Do you want me to change for your bloody convenience?

Go away, godnotgod. I no longer want to communicate with you.

 

[godnotgod]

What are you, godnotgod? A name-Nazi or naming drill-sergeant?

Who said the name of the avatar have to describe exactly who the person is?

What is to you, that I chose that name? Do you want me to change for your bloody convenience?

Go away, godnotgod. I no longer want to communicate with you.

I never said that your name had to co-incide with who you are. I said that what you are doing specifically is misleading, esp on a religious forum. No person in his right mind would ever call himself 'gnostic' on a religious forum and not expect others to think that was symbolic of who or what that member is.

Once someone stoops to ad hominem attacks, the discussion, if there ever was one, is over.

You come across as someone who is more emotionally driven than driven by logic or reason, which you don't have a very good grasp of, as your use of them is somewhat reckless. As a small example, you ran with Arte's analogy of the apple in the box, thinking you were correct, but I had to demonstrate to you that both his and your logic was erroneous.

Nothing I say about you is of a personal nature; I am only calling you on your arguments and haphazard use of logic. If you are going to use these tools, use them correctly.

Goodbye and best wishes to you....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Oh, I'l bet that's just your nasty opinion.

I think my assessment of you is accurate, not least because other contributors have formed a similar view.

Your posting is arrogant, egocentric and immature, and you repeatedly hijack threads to preach your new-age dogma.

First you lecture and patronise, then you attack and insult anyone who challenges your bizarre pronouncements.

You might be better preaching on a new-age forum where people are likely to be more gullible.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

And you are egotistical AH. You truly can't help yourself by being a j3rk.

Exactly so.

 

[godnotgod]

I think my assessment of you is accurate, not least because other contributors have formed a similar view.

Your posting is arrogant, egocentric and immature, and you repeatedly hijack threads to preach your new-age dogma.

First you lecture and patronise, then you attack and insult anyone who challenges your bizarre pronouncements.

You might be better preaching on a new-age forum where people are likely to be more gullible.

Not my fault if they don't understand the questions or content, and then choose to attack the pointing finger, like you. All I can do is point, but if you and they see it as preaching, insulting, lecturing, attacking, arrogant, egocentric, and immature, there's little I can do about that. My suggestion would be to shift the attention away from the pointing finger and take a glance at what is pointed to. The we might get somewhere.

Arte and yonathan don't seem to have this problem. I can have a meaningful discussion with them without them going ballistic, like you and gnostic, who do because you are personally attached to your beliefs. Did you notice that Arte and yonathan ask open-minded, honest questions, instead of going on the warpath?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I want you to tell me exactly what you think my personal dogma is. You can't because there is no doctrine associated with what I am saying.

Nonsense, you are stuffed full of dogma, doctrine and belief, all that stuff about "Cosmic Consciousness", the big bang being an "event in consciousness", blah blah.

 

[godnotgod]

I think I had enough of this bull from you, godnotgod.

...and I have had it up to here with yours.

 

[godnotgod]

Nonsense, you are stuffed full of dogma, doctrine and belief, all that stuff about "Cosmic Consciousness", the big bang being an "event in consciousness", blah blah.

and you are stuffed with the stagnant backwater doctrines of Theravada.

You tend to criticize what you don't understand.

Yes, the BB was an event in Consciousness; too big an idea for that small mind of yours.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

No, Consciousness is projecting itself as The Universe.

If Consciousness were a human quality, we would have no trouble understanding what it is, but to this day, it is still a complete mystery to the average Joe. We don't understand it because we are using the wrong tools to do so. Reason, Logic, and Analysis simply do not cut the mustard. Mind is a human quality. Consciousness is a non-local universal quality we only think is a personal quality, as in 'MY' consciousness. It isn't.

Illogical nonsense. You clearly ARE projecting consciousness onto the universe, it is the basis of the new-age dogma you preach here.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

and you are stuffed with the stagnant backwater doctrines of Theravada.
You tend to criticize what you don't understand.
Yes, the BB was an event in Consciousness.

You are clueless about the doctrines and practice of Theravada, and Buddhism generally. And a real Zennie wouldn't touch your new-age pseudo-Hindu dogma with a bargepole.

There is not a shred of evidence for the big bang being an event in consciousness, it is just a religious belief that you cling to tightly.

 

[godnotgod]

Illogical nonsense. You clearly ARE projecting consciousness onto the universe, it is the basis of the new-age dogma you preach here.

Don't be silly. If you knew what you were talking about you would realize that there is no difference between 'my' consciousness and that of the Universe. The wave and the sea are both made of the same contiguous body of water. As the Hindus say: 'the saltiness of the sea is the same everywhere'.

You cannot project your consciousness onto the Universe because you ARE the Universe itself! You have meditated for 30 years on that mat but have not yet come to this realization, as you are still wrapped in in self-view. Are you wanking off instead of paying attention?

 

[godnotgod]

There is not a shred of evidence for the big bang being an event in consciousness..

If it was not an event in Consciousness, then what matrix was it an event in?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

My suggestion would be to shift the attention away from the pointing finger and take a glance at what is pointed to. The we might get somewhere.

My suggestion is much the same as another contributor recently, stop being such an arrogant AH. Stop preaching, start listening. Stop hijacking threads, and stop being so egocentric. Stop abusing and insulting people who challenge your bizarre pronouncements.

Arte and yonathan don't seem to have this problem.

I think their patience is wearing thin too, what with all your sarcasm and patronising comments. And what all the other contributors you have patronised, abused and insulted here?

 

[godnotgod]

My suggestion is much the same as another contributor recently, stop being such an arrogant AH.

I think their patience is wearing thin too. And what all the other contributors you have patronised and insulted here?[/QUOTE]

What do you propose to do about it? I plan to continue just as I have, and calls 'em as I sees 'em.

One of the first things an initiate learns is to fall flat on his face when he thinks he knows more than he does. Phd's have been known to break down on their meditation mats, a sobbing mess, because they think they can figure it out with their intellect, always looking here and there for facts and evidence, when the answers they seek are right under their noses.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Are you wanking off instead of paying attention?

At heart you remain a spiteful child.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

One of the first things an initiate learns is to fall flat on his face when he thinks he knows more than he does.

You have a very long way to fall.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

As the Hindus say: 'the saltiness of the sea is the same everywhere'.

So you have taken some Hindu beliefs and muddled them up with some pseudo-science, rather like your hero, the charlatan Chopra.

So what? Why do you need to keep going on and on about it?

 

[godnotgod]

You have a very long way to fall.

You keep saying there is no factual evidence for the BB being an event in consciousness. Of course not. It is in consciousness, which is not in Time or Space, and neither was the BB.

There is no factual evidence that all phenomena is empty of self nature, either, and yet you seem to go along with that idea.

 

[godnotgod]

So you have taken some Hindu beliefs and muddled them up with some pseudo-science, rather like your hero, the charlatan Chopra.

Where do you see any of that? Once again, you're weaving your little web of deceit while immersed in those stagnant Theravada backwaters.

 

[godnotgod]

At heart you remain a spiteful child.

So after 30 years on your mat, you are still in duality; in the realm of 'self and other', where you are conscious, but the Universe is a dead artefact? I want to say you're smarter than that, but something inside says to refrain.

So what have you unlearned in those 30 years about the nature of things?