I found a good and simple explanation how this works. https://www.quora.com/If-all-matter...r-why-is-this-not-observable-in-everyday-life
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A Universe from Nothing?
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Ben Dhyan
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Fwiw, here is a take that resonates with me...the wave structure of particles...that particles are actually spherical standing waves of the omnipresent zpe....http://mwolff.tripod.com/
Also this site....http://web.archive.org/web/20110711095644/http://www.glafreniere.com/matter.htm
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Never said there was an inherent "apple nature". Apple is just a name we call a particular configuration of atoms and molecules.
Interesting articles will study them closer when I have time.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Not just interesting, but compelling, really:
"It is now seen that the electron consists entirely of a structure of spherical waves whose behavior creates their particle-like appearance.....This type of structure is termed a Space Resonance."
So 'particles' are actually created by the surrounding Field within which they appear. As I understand it, this is similar, if not the same as 'Quantum Field Theory'.(?)
"QFT treats particles as excited states of the underlying physical field, so these are called field quanta. In QFT, quantum mechanical interactions among particles are described by interaction terms among the corresponding underlying quantum fields."
Wikipedia
In terms of how I have been describing it, that the foreground we call the 'material world' is being manifested by the background which I have been calling 'The Absolute', there seems to be agreement. But actually, The Absolute would be even further down than the Field, whether it be Quantum or Unified Field, because ultimately The Absolute is unchanging. So even the Unified Field is illusory in this sense.
Additionally, these ideas point to a reconciliation between Quantum Mechanics and Relativity, along with other solutions:
"The discovery of these origins from the work of this article creates a radical new picture of the physical world: quantum mechanics and relativity are in a sense united, origins of forces are understood, puzzles and paradoxes are explained and, most important, relationships between microphysics (electrons and particles) and the universe (cosmology) are seen to be a result of an all-pervading "space" (the vacuum or ether) filled with oscillating quantum (particle) waves."
The wave is all about the ocean from which it arises, and to which it returns.
The 'material world' is all about the background, or field, from which it arises and to which it returns.
Everything comes out of Nothing.
Q: Does ZPE equate to 'no change'?
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Right, so 'apple' is just an idea in the mind. There is no such 'apple', as there is no such 'laptop'. All phenomena co-arise and are interdependent upon all other phenomena in the Universe, rendering what we call 'things' empty of self-nature. Quantum Physics says that, due to Superposition, 'apple' and 'laptop' are 'possibility' prior to their being observed as 'apple' and 'laptop'.
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godnotgod
Thou art That
Your source states:
"....you would never actually be able to experience the wave-like properties of macroscopic matter; you will only ever experience its particle-like properties, because that is the only way it interacts with you and you with it."
But that is true only when interacting with the material world via perceptual reality, and not via Ultimate Reality.
Ben Dhyan
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The ZPE equates with the 'background' omnipresent ocean of universal energy, whose em vibrational wavelengths exist from the microscopic to the macroscopic. According WSM, all so called matter particles are formed of this energy at points where in out wave standing wave resonance occurs. And btw, the same logic applies to the reason for the spherical form that the macroscopic objects of the universe take....ie.planets , suns, galaxies etc.,...but the incoming outgoing wavelengths in this case are measured in thousands of kilometers to hundreds of thousands of light years
godnotgod
Thou art That
So can we say that, at zero point, where incoming and outgoing equalize one another, there is a static condition, or something similar to that, which results in a standing wave?
Ben Dhyan
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Yes, that is correct.....All things being equal, an Electron will endure forever.... But in the zpe 'sea' surrounding say the permanent 'particle', there are ubiquitous virtual particles popping into and out of existence.....and the only difference between these virtual and actual is that wrt the virtual particles, the center where in and out waves begin the resonate as a standing wave is not stable, and soon the in out waves get out of phase and thus the resonance ceases and thus wave collapses...only for another to try and reform in that space...endlessly.. Once you get the 'picture', you will see how Photons form as temporary 'particle' standing waves when a permanent Electron particle gains excess energy and begins to become unstable....thus the temporary Photon moves towards another Electron that in a state appropriate for absorbing the Photon energy..
There are collections we name apples and laptops.
It says that we see the standing waves the "apple" and "laptop" are ultimately made up of as particles.
godnotgod
Thou art That
No, the opposite; what we call 'particles' are actually point fluctuations in the surrounding energy field. 'Particles' are all about the surrounding field. Because of superposition, we see 'apple' and 'laptop' via perceptual reality.
Standing waves appearing as particles when you register them.
godnotgod
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A laptop is a collection of atoms and what we see as atoms are really standing waves.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Why would a laptop be an illusion? It's a collection of atoms and atoms are standing waves. Neither the laptop, atoms nor the standing waves are illusions they are perfectly real.
godnotgod
Thou art That
All of the mass of the atom is virtual in nature, being created via energy fluctuations in the Quantum and Higgs Fields.
Are you confusing virtual particles with real particles? https://profmattstrassler.com/artic...ysics-basics/virtual-particles-what-are-they/