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A Universe from Nothing?
- Thread starter Tomorrows_Child
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"sound1
saʊnd/
noun
- 1.
vibrations that travel through the air or another medium and can be heard when they reach a person's or animal's ear."
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
You're projecting again.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
You really don't know? Seriously, empty your head of all that new-age nonsense and start doing some Zen practice.
godnotgod
Thou art That
I already know the difference and have already explained it several times, but you don't know. That is why you are diverting attention away from yourself.
godnotgod
Thou art That
Technically, vibrations of a certain frequency range are sound waves, but are not heard as sound until processed via ear and brain. Until then, they remain only vibrations. These vibrations need to be converted into audible sound. Otherwise, there is no sound.
My mind just can't wrap around everything coming from nothing.
It seems a simplistic explanation for events prior to the scientific
method.
Before science was even imagined.
Can't explain something? Then god did it.
Superstition rules.
Some science says everything originated from an infinite small
point.
Really?
Wonder? is all we know to be real simply a drop on a slide under
a cosmic microscope?
Oh, don't go there. It makes be feel so small and insignificant.
It seems a simplistic explanation for events prior to the scientific
method.
Before science was even imagined.
Can't explain something? Then god did it.
Superstition rules.
Some science says everything originated from an infinite small
point.
Really?
Wonder? is all we know to be real simply a drop on a slide under
a cosmic microscope?
Oh, don't go there. It makes be feel so small and insignificant.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Nonsense, and this is just another one of your red herrings. You are clearly trying to divert attention away from the fact that sunyata is incompatible with your "Cosmic Consciousness". I think you know I am right, so why not just admit it? You won't of course, because you have too much ego invested in your DIY religion and you are too attached to your beliefs.
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Technically the definition of sound depends on the context.
"In physics, sound is a vibration that propagates as a typically audible mechanical wave of pressure and displacement, through a medium such as air or water. In physiology and psychology, sound is the reception of such waves and their perception by the brain."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound
What is clear is that without the sound waves there can be no perception of sound. Yet again you are misrepresenting the facts in a vain attempt to prop up your new-age dogma. "Vain" in both senses of the word.
"Sound is a Mechanical Wave
Sound and music are parts of our everyday sensory experience. Just as humans have eyes for the detection of light and color, so we are equipped with ears for the detection of sound. We seldom take the time to ponder the characteristics and behaviors of sound and the mechanisms by which sounds are produced, propagated, and detected. The basis for an understanding of sound, music and hearing is the physics of waves. Sound is a wave that is created by vibrating objects and propagated through a medium from one location to another."
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/Class/sound/U11L1a.cfm
godnotgod
Thou art That
Now you're diverting to CC which is not in the discussion.
You claimed you know the Heart Sutra inside and out, and when I asked you to tell me the difference between the mind that knows that all phenomena is empty of self-nature and the mind that does'nt, you put the burden back onto me.
Answer the question. If you cannot, then the only conclusion is that you're lying....again.
BTW, show us all the proof that I made the claim to enlightenment, as you claimed.
LYING!
godnotgod
Thou art That
"audible mechanical wave of pressure...". Audible means that the pressure waves are HEARD as SOUND by an EAR and processed via a BRAIN. Without ear and brain, there is no audible sound.
How does a tree falling in the forest translate to new age dogma? You're going nuts, obviously.,
godnotgod
Thou art That
Is there any difference between the pressure waves and the sound that is heard by ear and brain?
godnotgod
Thou art That
That's because you still think there is a mind that wraps around something, when there is nothing. IOW, your mind is creating the concept of something, which you then give credibility to based upon your perception of a material reality that is an illusion.
“We live in illusion and the appearance of things. There is a reality. We are that reality. When you understand this, you see that you are nothing, and being nothing, you are everything. That is all.”
Kalu Rinpoche
Audible sound: "a. Vibrations transmitted through an elastic solid or a liquid or gas, with frequencies in the approximate range of 20 to 20,000 hertz, capable of being detected by human organs of hearing."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/audible+sound
What?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I disagree. It doesn't matter if there is an ear/brain around to hear a sound. The sound exists independently from our perception. It is relatively meaningless to suggest otherwise. For example, the earth is literally trembling under our feet, almost constantly, but the vast majority of the time the shaking is below the range of our perception. Does that mean that the tremors are not happening? Same difference. Likewise, dogs and other animals hear sounds we do not. Do those sounds, that are out of our range, not exist?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I put it back to you because you are playing childish games as usual, asking counter questions to change the subject. And don't give me that nonsense about it not being in the current discussion, you continually change the subject and dump in your "spiritual" quotes, often at random.
So, are you claiming that sunyata is compatible with "Cosmic Consciousness"? Yes or no?
If your answer is "yes" then explain how this can possibly be the case, given that consciousness also lacks inherent existence.
If the answer is "no", then stop talking about sunyata as if it is anything to do with your new-age nonsense.
I have raised this question with you repeatedly, all you do is sidestep. So stop the evasion and answer the question.
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Don't know what you mean. The pressure waves is the sound of a tree falling. So the sound my ears pick up is the sound of a tree falling. And I have seen and heard a tree fall before so I know I'm hearing the sound of a tree falling. What do you mean difference?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
Indeed. And it is rather silly to suggest that the earth only began shaking when animals evolved to perceive these vibrations.