A Universe from Nothing?

[godnotgod]

The tremors you describe are vibrations out of our hearing range. They exist, but have not been processed as audible sound, because they are inaudible to us. So no, there is no sound. Sound requires ears and brains to receive and process the pressure waves. Until then, they are only pressure waves.

The sounds exist for dogs and other animals, but not for us.

 

[godnotgod]

written reports of the accident....
insurance claims.....
several weeks of recovery

sensory inputs of the pain


i think you are failing in your ......illusion

Can't those things occur in a dream?

Who is it that has had an accident? That someone is a fiction living in the state of Identification. He needs ot awaken to true Reality and realize that his life has been a dream all along, a dream he only thinks is real, but is actually a script in a drama written by others.

 

[Thief]

Can't those things occur in a dream?

not legally

 

[godnotgod]

not legally

Legality is the least of any hindrance to the event and its surrounding issues being a dream. It only adds to the believability of the fiction, another prop which keeps you going on and on and on, yanked by the nose hither and thither.

 

[YmirGF]

The tremors you describe are vibrations out of our hearing range. They exist, but have not been processed as audible sound, because they are inaudible to us. So no, there is no sound. Sound requires ears and brains to receive and process the pressure waves. Until then, they are only pressure waves.


The sounds exist for dogs and other animals, but not for us.

Thank you for a hilarious response. Do you really expect people to take this kind of thinking seriously?

 

[godnotgod]

Thank you for a hilarious response. Do you really expect people to take this kind of thinking seriously?

Right, what some said to Galileo and Copernicus.

Q: When the tree falls to the ground, and no one is present, you say there is a sound. How do you know that, and what does it sound like?

 

[YmirGF]

Right, what some said to Galileo and Copernicus.

So now you are on par with scientific genius'. That is certainly instructive. When do you pickup your Nobel for Physics again?

Q: When the tree falls to the ground, and no one is present, you say there is a sound. How do you know that, and what does it sound like?

It sounds like it normally would. How else would it sound? Questions like this are so juvenile.

Next you will be asking if it is OK for the wife of a widower to remarry.

 

[ArtieE]

Well your position is that there is a sound whether you are there to hear it or not. So if you are not present, there are no ears and brains to hear and process the pressure waves as the sound of a tree falling; but if present, ears and brain are involved. So is there still no difference, as you claim?

The pressure waves IS the sound. The tree makes a sound whether we hear it or not.

 

[ArtieE]

Right, what some said to Galileo and Copernicus.

Q: When the tree falls to the ground, and no one is present, you say there is a sound. How do you know that, and what does it sound like?

We know that because falling trees make vibrations in the air. A tree falling sounds like a tree falling. You should be careful asking too many questions like that at some point people might really begin to wonder about your grip on reality.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Sho' 'nuff now, just as soon as you answer mine. Deal?

To develop insight into emptiness and conditionality you need the ability to be fully in the present, the ability to observe carefully, and the ability to let go of opinions and religious beliefs like "God" and "Cosmic Consciousness".

So now, let's have a straight answer to my question, it's something I have been asking you about for a long time but you always evade and divert.

Are you claiming that sunyata is compatible with your "Cosmic Consciousness"? And if you are, then explain how this can possibly be the case, given that consciousness also lacks inherent existence.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

The tremors you describe are vibrations out of our hearing range. They exist, but have not been processed as audible sound, because they are inaudible to us. So no, there is no sound. Sound requires ears and brains to receive and process the pressure waves. Until then, they are only pressure waves.

No, the definition of sounds depends on the context, it can mean both the physical phenomenon and the perception of that phenomenon. If you could stop being so dogmatic and opinionated you might actually learn something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound

 

[Rick O'Shez]

He needs to awaken to true Reality and realize that his life has been a dream all along, a dream he only thinks is real, but is actually a script in a drama written by others.

I don't think you would know reality if it came up and bit you on the bottom. Your head is too full of new-age dogma like "Cosmic Consciousness" and the big bang being an "event in consciousness". You are far too opinionated to see things clearly. You are only here to preach, and you are not the least bit interested in other points of view. It's just an ego-trip.

 

[ArtieE]

So what makes you think that getting hit by a car and lying in the street in agony is real?

If you were asleep and dreaming this event, it is real to you while in the dream, is it not? But when you awaken, you realize the illusory nature of the dream, do you not?

Yes of course. And I am now awake and what happens is real. You can't awake from being awake.

 

[godnotgod]

Yes of course. And I am now awake and what happens is real. You can't awake from being awake.

You can awaken from only thinking yourself awake, when you are, in reality, asleep.

When you are asleep, dreaming, you do not know you are dreaming. You think the dream is reality.

 

[godnotgod]

It sounds like it normally would. How else would it sound? .
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But how do you know how it normally sounds?

 

[godnotgod]

The pressure waves IS the sound. The tree makes a sound whether we hear it or not.

How do you verify that?

 

[godnotgod]

We know that because falling trees make vibrations in the air. A tree falling sounds like a tree falling. You should be careful asking too many questions like that at some point people might really begin to wonder about your grip on reality.

If that is the case, then the sanity of the originator of this riddle should be brought into question. Instead, this question is a favorite of many around the world.

How do you verify the sound that a falling tree makes if you are not present?

 

[godnotgod]

To develop insight into emptiness and conditionality you need the ability to be fully in the present, the ability to observe carefully, and the ability to let go of opinions and religious beliefs....

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That is not the question. The question is: what is the difference between the mind that sees that all phenomena are empty of self-nature, and one which does not?

 

[godnotgod]

No, the definition of sounds depends on the context, it can mean both the physical phenomenon and the perception of that phenomenon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound

How do you verify what the physical phenomenon sounds like if not via perception? We know that the physical phenomenon is technically pressure waves, but there is no actual sound of a tree falling; there is only the pressure waves. The recognition that the pressure waves so generated is in fact those of a falling tree is unknown until heard by ear and brain.

 

[godnotgod]

I don't think you would know reality if...*snip*

Did the Buddha experience spiritual awakening? Is he not referred to as 'The Awakened One'?