A Universe from Nothing?

[jeager106]

@godnotgod

"That's because you still think there is a mind that wraps around something, when there is nothing. IOW, your mind is creating the concept of something, which you then give credibility to based upon your perception of a material reality that is an illusion."

If you get hit by a car and are lying in the street in agony consider that
it's only an illusion and get over it.

Psychotherapy is something you might consider.
Just sayin'....................................

 

[ArtieE]

@godnotgod

"That's because you still think there is a mind that wraps around something, when there is nothing. IOW, your mind is creating the concept of something, which you then give credibility to based upon your perception of a material reality that is an illusion."

If you get hit by a car and are lying in the street in agony consider that
it's only an illusion and get over it.

Psychotherapy is something you might consider.
Just sayin'....................................

Why should we care about anything or anybody or God or Heaven or whatever if everything is just an illusion?

 

[YmirGF]

@godnotgod

"That's because you still think there is a mind that wraps around something, when there is nothing. IOW, your mind is creating the concept of something, which you then give credibility to based upon your perception of a material reality that is an illusion."

If you get hit by a car and are lying in the street in agony consider that
it's only an illusion and get over it.

Psychotherapy is something you might consider.
Just sayin'....................................

I can imagine all the times you came across gunshot victims when out on patrol. If only they understood everything is an illusion.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Sounds like I answered your original question.

What.sounds did you hear?

 

[Thief]

You need to take a walk in the forest more often.

I AM!....walking through the forest!

and yes....there is a lot of dead wood here

 

[godnotgod]

I can imagine all the times you came across gunshot victims when out on patrol. If only they understood everything is an illusion.

Yes, if only....

At least they might get a glimpse into the illusion that got them there in the first place. Then they might have half a chance of waking up from the drama of Identification they find themselves in.

 

[Thief]

I hear dead wood making noise....

no wait.....I have to read it

 

[godnotgod]

Why should we care about anything or anybody or God or Heaven or whatever if everything is just an illusion?

Because when you care about those suffering under the illusion, you touch upon the only thing that is real.

 

[Thief]

Because when you care about those suffering under the illusion, you touch upon the only thing that is real.

now go look in the mirror

 

[godnotgod]

@godnotgod

"That's because you still think there is a mind that wraps around something, when there is nothing. IOW, your mind is creating the concept of something, which you then give credibility to based upon your perception of a material reality that is an illusion."

If you get hit by a car and are lying in the street in agony consider that
it's only an illusion and get over it.

Psychotherapy is something you might consider.
Just sayin'....................................

So what makes you think that getting hit by a car and lying in the street in agony is real?

If you were asleep and dreaming this event, it is real to you while in the dream, is it not? But when you awaken, you realize the illusory nature of the dream, do you not?

 

[Thief]

So what makes you think that getting hit by a car and lying in the street in agony is real?

If you were asleep and dreaming this event, it is real to you while in the dream, is it not? But when you awaken, you realize the illusory nature of the dream, do you not?

I've been in a car accident.....
sufficient to have killed me

it was real

and dreams are something 'you' can awaken from
most of us know the difference

 

[godnotgod]

Don't know what you mean. The pressure waves is the sound of a tree falling. So the sound my ears pick up is the sound of a tree falling. And I have seen and heard a tree fall before so I know I'm hearing the sound of a tree falling. What do you mean difference?

Well your position is that there is a sound whether you are there to hear it or not. So if you are not present, there are no ears and brains to hear and process the pressure waves as the sound of a tree falling; but if present, ears and brain are involved. So is there still no difference, as you claim?

 

[godnotgod]

I've been in a car accident.....
sufficient to have killed me

it was real

and dreams are something 'you' can awaken from
most of us know the difference

So what makes you think you are not dreaming the car accident?

 

[godnotgod]

What.sounds did you hear?

The Sounds of Silence....of course!

 

[godnotgod]

So what makes you think you are not dreaming the car accident? And if it had killed you, it would be over, just as in a dream. So where is the 'real' car accident now?

 

[godnotgod]

now go look in the mirror

What does my reflection have to do with it?

 

[godnotgod]

I put it back to you because you are playing childish games as usual, asking counter questions to change the subject. And don't give me that nonsense about it not being in the current discussion, you continually change the subject and dump in your "spiritual" quotes, often at random.

So, are you claiming that sunyata is compatible with "Cosmic Consciousness"? Yes or no?

If your answer is "yes" then explain how this can possibly be the case, given that consciousness also lacks inherent existence.

If the answer is "no", then stop talking about sunyata as if it is anything to do with your new-age nonsense.

I have raised this question with you repeatedly, all you do is sidestep. So stop the evasion and answer the question.

Sho' 'nuff now, just as soon as you answer mine. Deal?

 

[Thief]

What does my reflection have to do with it?

omg.....not....omg

 

[godnotgod]

I disagree. It doesn't matter if there is an ear/brain around to hear a sound. The sound exists independently from our perception. It is relatively meaningless to suggest otherwise. For example, the earth is literally trembling under our feet, almost constantly, but the vast majority of the time the shaking is below the range of our perception. Does that mean that the tremors are not happening? Same difference. Likewise, dogs and other animals hear sounds we do not. Do those sounds, that are out of our range, not exist?

The tremors you describe are vibrations out of our hearing range. They exist, but have not been processed as audible sound, because they are inaudible to us. So no, there is no sound. Sound requires ears and brains to receive and process the pressure waves. Until then, they are only pressure waves.


The sounds exist for dogs and other animals, but not for us.

 

[Thief]

So what makes you think you are not dreaming the car accident?

written reports of the accident....
insurance claims.....
several weeks of recovery

sensory inputs of the pain


i think you are failing in your ......illusion