Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
No, time does not depend on our sensing of it. When we go to sleep the universe doesn't grind to a halt.
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A Universe from Nothing?
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No, time does not depend on our sensing of it. When we go to sleep the universe doesn't grind to a halt.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
I have. Please explain.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
the movement is real
the measure is all in your head
the movement will be there.....whether or not you are keeping time
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
No, it isn't, that's what clocks are for. The most accurate clocks are atomic clocks, based on atomic forces, you can't get more fundamental than that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock
What goes on in peoples' heads is another matter entirely. People have subjective inner experiences like "timelessness" or "stillness" or "God" and project them out, assuming they have some correlation in the external world. But there is no evidence that they DO have any correlation, it is generally wishful thinking or egocentricity. Such experiences might change how people PERCEIVE the external world, but that is as far as it goes, the external world is just as it was before.
The universe doesn't care how you look at it, and that is what is so wonderful about it!
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
If it is your true nature, my confused friend, then it is indeed a thing as you have defined it as such. Your second comment is mere speculation. You cannot know enough about the universe itself to say this with an authority. The nonsense part of this is that though you claim consciousness is universal you cannot tell me what I plan to do in the next 2 hours. Consciousness is therefore limited. How can consciousness be both limited and universal at the same time?
In regards to your "I am" sentiments, I don't need to refer to what you think Jesus meant, as I only have to remember my own experiences of the "I am" event. What you are saying is only somewhat true however. The "I am" experience is much deeper, much more profound and much more powerful that you are suggesting. It is, quite literally, a world shaking realization of the fact that personality has a core and that core can be reached within our earthly experience, expanding our ordinary consciousness beyond its wildest dreams.
RationalSkeptic
Freethinker
Correct, however considering that the universe has consistent laws and the dream world does not I would say it is more probable that it is objectively real than it is a dream world.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
your last line is correct
the universe has no reflection of what we think
time is only a quotient on a chalkboard
it cannot ever be more
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
That is certainly true, but what we believe about what we are seeing will most definitely colour that sight.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I know what you mean. If only, eh?Yep. I secretly wish for a pair of rose tinted spectacles sometimes.
One thing our banter reminded me of was a few years ago, I was looking up into the moonless sky, here in LotusLand. At first my view of the stars was ordinary and suddenly it hit me that all the points of light I was seeing all left their source at wildly different time periods. I wasn't just looking back into time, but into a million different times. That's when things got dazzling. Somehow my brain digested that data and I began to see the sky as if through 3D glasses as spacial relationships began to expand. I was somewhat breathless when my vision returned to normal mode a few seconds later, but I've never looked at the night sky the same ever since. It was an extraordinary perception that helped me to understand the vast distances in space a little bit better and yes, it made me feel very, very small...
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It's mind-boggling. I still remember the first time I saw a full night sky, it was far out to sea with no light pollution, meteors everywhere too. Wow! I've done some amateur astronomy, fascinating stuff.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Yeah, I'm fortunate enough to live about 20 miles from the nearest city, across the water...
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
The I AM is eternal....so are all the conceptual attributes.....the created and the uncreated...
Mind comes from this sublime and completely unified source above; it is divided only as it enters into the universe of human distinctions. —Menahem Nahum
godnotgod
Thou art That
But I have not. Sunyata is not a material 'thing' or object.
I see you haven't been paying attention, or you have only been paying attention to how you interpret what you read.
Universal Consciousness does not mean that I have your factual knowledge or even that of the Universe. It simply means that the consciousness you have to know such facts is the same consciousness that I possess, and both are the same consciousness of the Universe itself. Now, there are two kinds of consciousness: conditioned and unconditioned. Conditioned consciousness is limited consciousness because it is the consciousness of the rational mind. It is mind, which is personally sculpted consciousness. This is the state known as Identification; it is of the self, and so is self-view, and is the consciousness of the thinking mind. Unconditioned consciousness has no self-nature; is unlimited, and pure, 'pure' meaning 'clear'. Because it has no self-nature, it is universal. It does not think; it sees.
You're full of it. I Am has no personality attached to it. The 'I' in 'I Am' does not refer to the ordinary personal 'I' that we call personality or even self. It refers to Being itself, and as such, is the Being of the divine nature. To say it to you in Hindu terms:
'Tat tvam asi', or 'Thou art That'
Yeshu is obviously referring to what he is in this Present Moment, as he has always been here in the Present Moment, and that is not a thing like an ego called 'I'; it is his true nature which is Being. If he were only talking about personality, he would never have said it in this manner.
Who is it that is confused here?
godnotgod
Thou art That
OK. Cosmic Consciousness is a silly Buddhish trying to make Enlightenment fit into a nice, neat little square hole because anything else frightens him to death. Enlightenment for him must be completely digestible to the rational mind, and fully explainable upon demand.
'Your papers, please!"
Now go to your room!
godnotgod
Thou art That
The Buddha achieved Supreme Enlightenment, which is Cosmic Consciousness. You claim to be a Buddhist, whose goal is to achieve Enlightenment, even though you don't know what that is. Even if it were explainable, you would'nt become enlightened. Interesting.
So do you want the description of Enlightenment, or the experience?
Are you still eating the menu instead of the meal?
Corn flakes.
*Crunch*
BTW, save the boxtop to redeem for a Cap'n Crunch Nirvana Ring
You keep spreading this falsity it doesn't make it true. Might as well say Gravity is just silly maths nothing to worry about if you jump off a cliff. Time is as fundamental as the gravity that bends it.