A Universe from Nothing?

[Thief]

No, that was Saint Dawkins. This is when he first noticed it:

your stroke of sarcasm doesn't work

 

[Rick O'Shez]

your stroke of sarcasm doesn't work

Got a reaction, so I think it did.

 

[`mud]

And all of it comes from nothing !
~
'mud

 

[Thief]

Got a reaction, so I think it did.

reply is not a winning point....for you

 

[Rick O'Shez]

And all of it comes from nothing !

"Coming from" and "nothing" are almost certainly meaningless if we're talking about "prior" to the big bang. The whole discussion is a category error.

 

[`mud]

But don't forget the potential, that causes the inertia,
that came from nothingness !

~
'mud

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Do you seriously believe there was a worldwide flood, URAVIP? Such a cataclysm would have left all kinds of evidence -- yet there is none. Nor is there any way to account for the details of the sheltering of animals, their redistribution and the origin of the water.
You cherry-pick details from an anthology of heavily edited ancient folklore. Why do you consider these stories any more authoritative than the mythology of a hundred other cultures?

Those hundreds of cultures ( nations and islands of the sea ) have a similar flood story. A few survivors to repopulate earth.
Before the Flood there was a water canopy above earth, that water canopy was opened up as one would open up a window - Genesis 7:11
That water could have repositioned earth's land area, and even causing the polar caps to ice up.
The end came hard and swift in Noah's day. What kind of evidence ? To me, anything perishable would leave No trace.
With Sodom and Gomorrah the end also came hard and swift.
To me, the point of the Flood account was that people became so violent that God had to step in and He did - Genesis 6:11
There is No lack of evidence then with Jesus' recorded words at Matthew 24:37 that once again we would see a world of violence as in Noah's day.
As the end came hard and swift back then is showing us a pattern that in our day the end of violence - these last days of badness on earth - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 - will also come hard and swift by the executional words from Jesus' mouth - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16

 

[URAVIP2ME]

shall we go back to topic....a universe from nothing
apparently it can happen
what caused it?

'Apparently' may be one thought, but to me the answer is the universe did Not come from nothing but started from God's power and strength.
In other words to me, God supplied the abundantly needed dynamic energy to create the material/physical realm of existence.
- Isaiah 40:26; Jeremiah 10:12; Jeremiah 27:5; Jeremiah 32:17; Psalms 33:6

 

[Valjean]

Those hundreds of cultures ( nations and islands of the sea ) have a similar flood story. A few survivors to repopulate earth.
Before the Flood there was a water canopy above earth, that water canopy was opened up as one would open up a window - Genesis 7:11
That water could have repositioned earth's land area, and even causing the polar caps to ice up.
The end came hard and swift in Noah's day. What kind of evidence ? To me, anything perishable would leave No trace.
With Sodom and Gomorrah the end also came hard and swift.
To me, the point of the Flood account was that people became so violent that God had to step in and He did - Genesis 6:11
There is No lack of evidence then with Jesus' recorded words at Matthew 24:37 that once again we would see a world of violence as in Noah's day.
As the end came hard and swift back then is showing us a pattern that in our day the end of violence - these last days of badness on earth - 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13 - will also come hard and swift by the executional words from Jesus' mouth - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16

Do some reading. None of your points holds water.
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html

 

[Rick O'Shez]

But don't forget the potential, that causes the inertia,
that came from nothingness !

'mud

I am feeling a lot of "inertia" with regard to this thread.

 

[paarsurrey]

A Universe from Nothing?

Nobody else except G-d did claim and give reasonable arguments for creation of the Universe, from nothing or something. Did one? Who? And on what basis? Please quote claim and reasons from one. Right? Please
Regards

 

[`mud]

But it's so much fun
~
'mud

 

[paarsurrey]

But it's so much fun
~
'mud

Ultimately one is accountable for the things one does or does not do. Right? Please
Should I quote from G-d? Please feel free yet with wisdom and reason.
Regards

 

[`mud]

hey Paars,
Please write all the words spoken by GOD !
Not quotes, mind you, but real transcripts !
~
Other than "I am as I will be", or some substitute,
only Moses was there, smelling the smoke !
~
But......did GOD really write the commandments ?
~
And......where did Moses find a chisel ?
(just kidding)
~
'mud

 

[Valjean]

A Universe from Nothing?

Nobody else except G-d did claim and give reasonable arguments for creation of the Universe, from nothing or something. Did one? Who? And on what basis? Please quote claim and reasons from one. Right? Please
Regards

When did God ever give an argument for anything? Almost all I see in the Bible are proclamations.
I'd also be interested, along with 'Mud, I'm sure; in some authenticated, primary sources for this God's opinions.

 

[paarsurrey]

When did God ever give an argument for anything? Almost all I see in the Bible are proclamations.
I'd also be interested, along with 'Mud, I'm sure; in some authenticated, primary sources for this God's opinions.

Bible/Torah/Veda/Gathas/Buddhist-scripture, all of them, never claimed to give reasons or arguments on any or all issues pertaining to ethical, moral and spiritual issues. Did any of these? Please
If one wants arguments and reasons on valid issues, then one should have consulted, read and pondered on the verses of Quran, one will get reason inside the text and the context of verses, one shall have not to look for outside to anybody. Right? Please try it. Right?
Regards

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I'd also be interested, along with 'Mud, I'm sure; in some authenticated, primary sources for this God's opinions.

Is God on Youtube?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Eh? What I actually said was that we have no idea, or even if "cause" is applicable "prior" to the big bang. Given that this is so, trying to apply ideas like "Something coming from nothing" is foolish, and Sunday School explanations like "God did it" are inane and childish.

My bad...understand..

 

[paarsurrey]

Eh? What I actually said was that we have no idea, or even if "cause" is applicable "prior" to the big bang. Given that this is so, trying to apply ideas like "Something coming from nothing" is foolish, and Sunday School explanations like "God did it" are inane and childish.

My bad...understand..

The cause is the commandment of G-d to it "to be" and it started happening. It is always like that, no exception to that:

[3:48] She said, ‘My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me?’ He said, “Such is the way of Allah, He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse:&ch=3&verse=47

So, the Big Bang happened and the Universe started expanding. Right?
This is always the cause of the causes behind, but G-d is not in a harry, if He wills the things do happen in million and billion or more years under intricate and complicated processes that to one's eye might look as if there was no cause behind. The causes are deaf and dumb and blind, if people want them to speak to them they won't, one has to discover them. Else the humans will be lazy. Right? Please
Regards

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The cause is the commandment of G-d to it "to be" and it started happening. It is always like that, no exception to that:

[3:48] She said, ‘My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me?’ He said, “Such is the way of Allah, He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse:&ch=3&verse=47

So, the Big Bang happened and the Universe started expanding. Right?
This is always the cause of the causes behind, but G-d is not in a harry, if He wills the things do happen in million and billion or more years under intricate and complicated processes that to one's eye might look as if there was no cause behind. The causes are deaf and dumb and blind, if people want them to speak to them they won't, one has to discover them. Else the humans will be lazy. Right? Please
Regards

Are you saying God made the universe from nothing?