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A Universe from Nothing?

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URAVIP2ME

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ben d said:
Not at all, nature's kingdoms are hierarchical.....like classes in a school....the student starts at the lowest and graduates as the highest...each class is a prerequisite preparatory step for the next...humility is a sign of higher understanding....
Matthew 11:11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
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Neither John the Baptizer, nor King David ( Acts of the Apostles 2:34 ) are in heaven. - John 3:13
ALL who died before Jesus died, are still asleep in the grave awaiting a future resurrection Not to Heaven but on Earth.
That is why the 'future tense' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.....
Before Jesus, ALL who died will be part of a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection under Jesus' 1,000-year reign over Earth.
That includes the list of people found at Hebrews chapter 11 - Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39
Jesus made a contract with only people like those of Luke 22:28-30 to govern with him in heaven - Revelation 20:6; Revelation 5:9-10
The majority of people will be living on Earth as originally offered to Adam before his downfall.
Jesus will have subjects, earthly citizens, - Psalms 72:8, 12-14 - in which to govern in righteousness in fullfillment to God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed.- Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18. Blessed with healing for earth's nations starting with Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth. Even enemy death will be No more on Earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26
 
Valjean

Valjean

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Premium Member
The story of Cain and Abel is an allegory, at best. they weren't real persons.
There never was a worldwide flood, and Genesis is not a science text.
You're preaching, URAVIP. It you expect to persuade anyone here you need to back your assertions up with demonstrable facts.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Aupmanyav said:
Prince of peaces have been a curse on earth starting from Zoroaster to Moses to Jesus to Mohammad.
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How is Peace on Earth a curse ?
Mankind's history has shown that man can Not establish Peace on Earth.
So, that is why I believe God will step in and He will have Jesus usher in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
ArtieE said:
All God drowned in the flood are awaiting a future resurrection on Earth?
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My comment was mostly in thinking of all who were alive when Jesus was alive. I should have been more clear.
Since the Flood was a divine execution against that wicked generation, then there is No reason I can think they will be resurrected.
Time will tell, but since Noah was Not just an Ark builder but a preacher - 2 Peter 2:5 - then Noah would have warned the people in advance to repent if they wanted to be saved through the coming Flood. No doubt the Ark could have been a huge tourist attraction, so to speak, with many people coming to see what was going on and hearing what they needed to do in order to be saved/ rescued/delivered.

Interesting connection now with the global proclaiming today of Matthew 24:14 in that people all over the Earth can hear ' repent ' so as Not to perish (be destroyed) as mentioned at 2 Peter 3:9.
 
Valjean

Valjean

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Do you seriously believe there was a worldwide flood, URAVIP? Such a cataclysm would have left all kinds of evidence -- yet there is none. Nor is there any way to account for the details of the sheltering of animals, their redistribution and the origin of the water.

You cherry-pick details from an anthology of heavily edited ancient folklore. Why do you consider these stories any more authoritative than the mythology of a hundred other cultures?
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Valjean said:
Do you seriously believe there was a worldwide flood, URAVIP? Such a cataclysm would have left all kinds of evidence -- yet there is none. Nor is there any way to account for the details of the sheltering of animals, their redistribution and the origin of the water.

You cherry-pick details from an anthology of heavily edited ancient folklore. Why do you consider these stories any more authoritative than the mythology of a hundred other cultures?
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how about a speculation?.....
a global warming as we have one pending in this century

the coastal land would flood
most people and agriculture would be knee deep in water
crops would fail
most people would perish

ok....maybe flood stories are exaggeration....
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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Tomorrows_Child said:
I'm not sure if I can post a poll on here but who here believes that the universe originated from nothing? As some of the major scientific theories from the 20th century claimed or was there an originator of some sort? Doesn't have to be God necessarily in your opinion. Who believes the universe has no beginning? I'm just curious as to what you guys believe with regard to this topic and what the basis of your belief would be?
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Which theories? I am only somewhat conversant with the big bang theory, but that does not begin with nothing. We cannot look further back than a short time after it occurred, so we do not know the "before".
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Milton Platt said:
Which theories? I am only somewhat conversant with the big bang theory, but that does not begin with nothing. We cannot look further back than a short time after it occurred, so we do not know the "before".
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could that 'before' have another...Name
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Milton Platt said:
Which theories? I am only somewhat conversant with the big bang theory, but that does not begin with nothing. We cannot look further back than a short time after it occurred, so we do not know the "before".
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So time started with the big bang....what was the state from which time began?
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Milton Platt said:
As I said above.....we do not know. Why does that answer bother you? But there is no need to insert the supernatural as a place-holder for our ignorance.
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No....I don't do dualism in the context of the big picture...but non-duality... the universe is eternal and thus never came from nothing....nor any other unknowable unknown.. It exists and has always existed...there was no beginning...though I accept there are cycles of manifestation and dissolution of manifested creations, including perhaps of everything contemporary science calls the universe..
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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ben d said:
No....I don't do dualism in the context of the big picture...but non-duality... the universe is eternal and thus never came from nothing....nor any other unknowable unknown.. It exists and has always existed...there was no beginning...though I accept there are cycles of manifestation and dissolution of manifested creations, including perhaps of everything contemporary science calls the universe..
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Well, we are kinda on the same page, there may have always been matter and energy, or one or the other. The only difference, is I am not claiming that I actually know.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

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Milton Platt said:
Well, we are kinda on the same page, there may have always been matter and energy, or one or the other. The only difference, is I am not claiming that I actually know.
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Anyways, it is a good working hypothesis and imho, will in time be shown to be correct in principle.. Btw, I have a feeling we have had this discussion before and reached the same place... ground hog day... :)
 
`mud

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
Three questions:
First: Where was the nothingness ?
Second: Where was 'God' ?
Third: When did 'Genesis' start ?
Maybe a fourth:
What created the 'singularity' ?
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Oh another.....from where'd the water come ?
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I see no reason to include religion in this !
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'mud
 
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