A Universe from Nothing?

[YmirGF]

The signs are very obvious if we look for them.

Jeremiah 49:38

I will set my throne in Elam..

ELAM (Heb. ʽêlām) (PLACE)
Name denoting both a region in highland Fars province (Iran) around the modern city of Shiraz

(Eerdman's Dictionary of the Bible)

The Baha'i Faith began in Shiraz, whose ancient name in the Bible is Elam where God would set His Throne.

Sounds somewhat delusional to me.

 

[Thief]

Yes...you are using 'no' as an adjective to denote the relative opposite states of the noun following...

There is no absolute void, it only implies relativity....the absence of something... The idea of a void in some contexts is like that of a vacuum.....but as we know zpe is omnipresent and thus there is still something...so the void is not absolute nothing...

so the absolute 'nothing'.....cannot exist ......because of......
Someone

 

[Aupmanyav]

As far as Earth's beginning is concerned, I suppose one could say the Era or the Age when Earth became into existence billions of years ago.

Oh, it is not 4,000 BC as some people say by adding up the ages of Adam and his descendants as mentioned in Bible. How come! Bible not true? God's word not correct?

We shall see URAVIP2ME, the end times are upon us and all will be revealed soon...

Soon? How soon? Any date? I heard it was 12th of December a few years ago but the date passed without any such incident. I hope you have better sources of information. It is sort of disappointing to miss the 'end of time' in my life-time.

We Baha'is believe He already has returned in the Person of Baha'u'llah but that people missed His coming because they misinterpreted the signs.

Bahaullah is the anointed son of God (who returned)? Or was it Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. God gives such feeble signs. There are at least a score of other claimants also. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus

 

[loverofhumanity]

Sounds somewhat delusional to me.

It's very clear. It's a prophecy about Shiraz that. Messenger from God will appear there. God's Throne is nine other than His Messenger.

The Bab appeared in Shiraz

 

[Ben Dhyan]

so the absolute 'nothing'.....cannot exist ......because of......
Someone

..someone...something...samething.....nothing does not exist except in the relative sense...not absolute....

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Oh, it is not 4,000 BC as some people say by adding up the ages of Adam and his descendants as mentioned in Bible. How come! Bible not true? God's word not correct?Soon? How soon? Any date? I heard it was 12th of December a few years ago but the date passed without any such incident. I hope you have better sources of information. It is sort of disappointed to miss the 'end of time' in my life-time.

Not Adam, but the Flood of Noah's day 4,000 yrs. ago. Adam dates back 6,000+ years.

Not the ' end of time ' but the ' end times of badness on Earth ' before Jesus will step in to usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.
No one knows the day or hour - Matthew 24:36, but we do know the ripe harvest ' season ' - Matthew 24:32-33; Matthew 24:37
We are in the late December season 'of spiritual darkness'. Not meaning a literal month.- 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13
Just as the Earth was full of violence in Noah's day - Genesis 6:11 - before God would step in.
We are at the ' final phase ' of the international spiritual work being accomplished world wide - Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8.
We are also nearing the ' final signal', so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' (powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Security " as a precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14, before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill such as starting with the figurative humble ' sheep' people of Matthew 25:31-33,37. They can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth, right into the start of Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins.

 

[Aupmanyav]

No one knows the day or hour - Matthew 24:36, but we do know the ripe harvest ' season ' - Matthew 24:32-33; Matthew 24:37

Ah, I thought you knew better.But what you are saying is just as nebulous as what others have said. The world has been full of violence all the time when spaniards killed the South American natives or the Europeans killed the North American or the African natives or the British killed thje Australian natives or when Hitler and Stalin conducted their progroms or when the British allowed division of Palestine or India or when West attacked Egypt, Vietnam, or Middle East. God has been conspicuous by his absence. Why do you think that any God will appear now? You still think it is not a fable?

 

[Thief]

Ah, I thought you knew better.But what you are saying is just as nebulous as what others have said. The world has been full of violence all the time when spaniards killed the South American natives or the Europeans killed the North American or the African natives or the British killed thje Australian natives or when Hitler and Stalin conducted their progroms or when the British allowed division of Palestine or India or when West attacked Egypt, Vietnam, or Middle East. God has been conspicuous by his absence. Why do you think that any God will appear now? You still think it is not a fable?

God gave Man dominion.
what prevails on the earth is God's fault?

 

[Aupmanyav]

For a bungled selection, whom can one blame other than the selector? And then sending the floods and his son to put it right and still failing! Very inefficient. Why did he not choose the Apes or Orangs, or Dolphins or Menatees?

 

[Valjean]

I am merely making reference to Scripture as to what the Bible really teaches.
The Bible has been tested and retested over thousands of years.

Tested how? There are no primary sources, it contradicts itself, it makes physically and historically impossible claims, and it's compiled by a specific sect with an agenda. What was tested?

What do you find wrong with Jesus' Sermon on the Mount ' teachings ?

Love the sermon on the mount -- and the similar sermon on the plain. No historical support for either, of course, but I like the sentiments.
Too bad mainstream Christians seem to ignore them.

Yes, the end times of badness on Earth is upon us before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.
We are now at the ' final phase ', so to speak, of Matthew 24:14 with the international proclaiming about the good news of God's kingdom.
We are now nearing the ' final signal ', so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' (powers that be) will be saying, "Peace and Security " as the precursor of the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
So, although we do Not know the day - Matthew 24:36 - we do know the end-time season which we are in - Matthew 24:32-33,37
We are figuratively in the ending 'dark December season' before this world of badness ends - Psalms 92:7; Revelation 22:2

STOP IT, Uravip! Quoting heavily edited musings of ancient goatherds really does not further your argument -- except amongst the already convinced.

The good shepherd is extremely careful to not lose any of his flock....we are all impatiently waiting on you....stuck in the mud..

What makes you think Mud is one of the handful of unconditionally elected, Ben d?

You make some very good points. We know God always existed so creation in one form or another most likely existed also.

How do we know this? Evidence?

 

[`mud]

Wow.....he capitalized my name !!!!
I'm impatiently waited for....by who, where, and what ?
~
Damn....but, I'll get there(where, or what???),
but......no cognizance...damn again !!
Oh well......thanks for notice.
~
'mud

 

[Thief]

For a bungled selection, whom can one blame other than the selector? And then sending the floods and his son to put it right and still failing! Very inefficient. Why did he not choose the Apes or Orangs, or Dolphins or Menatees?

opposable thumbs.....

 

[Aupmanyav]

Eh, you doubt the might of the Lord. Would it have been impossible for the Lord God to give opposable thumbs to Apes, Orangs, Dolphins or Manatees? Or do you think evolution is independent of him?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What makes you think Mud is one of the handful of unconditionally elected, Ben d?

Haha.....I just saw an opening and took the shot... But seriously there is only one absolute universe aka by other non-religious and religious names....so no soul will suffer forever not knowing what and who they are in this bigger context....though clearly the vast majority of them will not realize it in this life time...I suppose that is the allegorical meaning of Christian rapture aka salvation....the end of reincarnation and subsequent suffering the duality of good and evil....

PS..Still I am sure Jesus loves 'mud dearly...

 

[Thief]

Eh, you doubt the might of the Lord. Would it have been impossible for the Lord God to give opposable thumbs to Apes, Orangs, Dolphins or Manatees? Or do you think evolution is independent of him?

evolution is a chemical mechanism
set in motion by God.

He can twist a gene now and then ......

He can also do tricks in a 'garden'
see Chapter Two of Genesis

 

[Aupmanyav]

So, I wonder, why humans? The imperfect image? Some shoddy work?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So, I wonder, why humans? The imperfect image? Some shoddy work?

Not at all, nature's kingdoms are hierarchical.....like classes in a school....the student starts at the lowest and graduates as the highest...each class is a prerequisite preparatory step for the next...humility is a sign of higher understanding....

Matthew 11:11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet whoever is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

 

[Aupmanyav]

So, humans are the highest echelon in evolution/God's creation? I thought you were talking about humility!

 

[Ben Dhyan]

So, humans are the highest echelon in evolution/God's creation? I thought you were talking about humility!

I did not suggest that humans were top of the 'food chain', the scripture I quoted implies the opposite...that there are higher states of universal evolution and that the most evolved human is lower than the lowest entity of more evolved kingdoms.. The point about humility is that there are some humans who think humans are the most evolved beings in existence, and there are lessor evolved humans who think that they are equal in evolution to contemporary more evolved humans.. humility is a sign of relative higher evolution...but humility does not equate with timidity to refrain from pointing out misunderstanding of the less evolved...even though the lessor will not have a bar of it at first...

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Ah, I thought you knew better.But what you are saying is just as nebulous as what others have said. The world has been full of violence all the time when spaniards killed the South American natives or the Europeans killed the North American or the African natives or the British killed thje Australian natives or when Hitler and Stalin conducted their progroms or when the British allowed division of Palestine or India or when West attacked Egypt, Vietnam, or Middle East. God has been conspicuous by his absence. Why do you think that any God will appear now? You still think it is not a fable?

We can even trace violence back to Cain killing Abel.
According to Genesis 6:11 the reason for the Flood was because the world was full of violence.
Jesus' teachings talk of a time that the world would be like those vilolent days of Noah according to Matthew 24:37
Gospel writer Luke even recorded describing the type of earthquakes that would be happening at Luke 21:11 by using the adjective ' Great'.
Even a tsunami is a great earthquake.
Besides all the global violence, Jesus also taught there would be an international preaching work done according to Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8
Even modern technology has made rapid Bible translation possible so that people even in remote areas of Earth can now have Scripture in their own mother tongue or native language thus fullfilling what Jesus taught would be happening before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill. In other words to me, man isn't able to bring peace on earth, so that is why God will have Jesus step in to fulfill Isaiah's prophecy found at Isaiah 2:4; Micah 4:3-4 for us.