A Universe from Nothing?

[Valjean]

One could ascribe the Big Bang to space aliens as easily as God.

If you're going to dismiss the Big Bang hypothesis you really should be familiar with the physics involved. People argue it makes no sense -- welcome to modern cosmology. Lots of things in physics seem utterly incredible, but they're true.

 

[1137]

One could ascribe the Big Bang to space aliens as easily as God.

If you're going to dismiss the Big Bang hypothesis you really should be familiar with the physics involved. People argue it makes no sense -- welcome to modern cosmology. Lots of things in physics seem utterly incredible, but they're true.

How could aliens exist without space? Or, couldn't we call a god "alien"?

 

[Valjean]

They're transdimensional aliens.
How can God exist without space? For that matter, where did He come from?

 

[`mud]

" set in motion ".....initialization.......given forward momentum
normally caused by some various opposing vectorial motion starters !
~
Just kidding....but you already know that !
~
'mud

 

[Rick O'Shez]

They're transdimensional aliens.

Those are the most interesting ones.

 

[Shad]

I don't get the controversy.
Both sides agree on a universe created from nothing, but one posits an unknown mechanism, whilst the other an invisible "creator."
The controversy is about mechanism vs magic, not the fact of creation ex nihilo.

The controversy is that theists push their cause outside of everything the mechanism is still subject to; timeless, immaterial, etc.. It is nothing more than special pleading.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

One could ascribe the Big Bang to space aliens as easily as God.

If you're going to dismiss the Big Bang hypothesis you really should be familiar with the physics involved. People argue it makes no sense -- welcome to modern cosmology. Lots of things in physics seem utterly incredible, but they're true.

I say to you that there was no first creation...the universe did not have a beginning... If you disagree...please explain what was the cause of the beginning?

 

[outhouse]

I don't get the controversy.
Both sides agree on a universe created from nothing

No they do not.

The scientific side has never claimed that.

They claim a singularity expanded.

Are black holes nothing to you? they are singularities as well

 

[Willamena]

Are black holes nothing to you? they are singularities as well

I singularly doubt that.

 

[Valjean]

A universe emerging from, or a product of, no thing; from a gravitational singularity, An inflation from a point where there was no universe, nothing, not even time.
"First," no thing, then expansion and condensation into a universe of stuff.

That, to Joe Sixpack, is pretty much indistinguishable from creatio ex nihilo.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

A universe emerging from, or a product of, no thing; from a gravitational singularity, An inflation from a point where there was no universe, nothing, not even time.
"First," no thing, then expansion and condensation into a universe of stuff.

That, to Joe Sixpack, is pretty much indistinguishable from creatio ex nihilo.

So let me cut to the chase Valjean......what caused the singularity?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

So let me cut to the chase Valjean......what caused the singularity?

We don't know. We don't even know if "cause" had any meaning prior to the singularity, since cause and effect are a feature of space-time.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

We don't know. We don't even know if "cause" had any meaning prior to the singularity, since cause and effect are a feature of space-time.

So you don't know squat then....haha...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

So you don't know squat then....your theory is not testable...haha...

You don't know squat either....haha....

You sound just like Nelson in the Simpsons:

 

[Valjean]

Cause? What's "cause?"
Maybe God willed it.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Cause? What's "cause?"
Maybe God willed it.

Maybe he did, or maybe God is just a figment of the human imagination.

 

[MARCELLO]

A universe from nothing? Someone needs me to explain what is '' a '' and than '' universe'' and than nothing ..thank you..

 

[Valjean]

All the terms based in our subjective perception of reality fall short.

 

[`mud]

Cosmotic couplings....
the edge of what we cannot see...
yet.
And a thought......
what happened to the space we once occupied ?
~
'mud

 

[Ben Dhyan]

A universe from nothing? Someone needs me to explain what is '' a '' and than '' universe'' and than nothing ..thank you..

a = undefined article
universe = one that is all....absolute existence
nothing = no universe....absolute non-existence