Father Heathen
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The obvious differences is despite the Nazis racist and dehumanizing portrayal of the Jews they still possessed the qualities that define personhood, whereas a fetus clearly does not. Not remotely comparable.
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Abortion - is it wrong?
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The obvious differences is despite the Nazis racist and dehumanizing portrayal of the Jews they still possessed the qualities that define personhood, whereas a fetus clearly does not. Not remotely comparable.
Me Myself
Back to my username
I may agree dependant on what "irresponsable breeding" turns out to be.
If you mean jews that´s just horrible! :cover:
Seriously though, I agree, but I find a mom consenting her baby to die far worst.
That why sex must be responsable to avoid all of this.
You are wrong: the Jews DID NOT possess the the qualities which the Nazis defined as "personhood".... it then becomes a "meaning of the word" game...which the pro-choicers love to play.
The other obvious difference is that the Nazis killed only 7 million Jews. The same figure is topped by abortions about every two months.
http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
By "irresponsible breeding" I mean unfit parents squeezing out litters. If they weren't responsible enough to use birth control then they most certainly aren't responsible enough to raise a child.
I couldn't care less about a fetus. The world as a whole is better off with each and every abortion.
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
Godwin, you lose.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Personhood is defined by biology and is not up for debate. A person is a sapient, sentient, conscious, thinking, feeling, self-ware being with the ability to reason and the capacity for emotion. A fetus is not.
Me Myself
Back to my username
And with every dying chinese?
The solution to overpopulaton is not more killing but more homosexuality!
Songbird
She rules her life like a bird in flight
And that number is topped by miscarriages, with a rate often estimated as high as 40-50% of all pregnancies.
If prenatal life were as precious to God as some claim, I'd truly think miscarrying would be almost unheard of.
Alceste
Vagabond
Let's see, did the Jews have brains and nervous systems? Did they have hearts, lungs, genitals, arms and legs etcetera? Were they aware of their suffering in any way shape or form?
If you answered "yes" to any of these, then your post is completely irrelevant to the topic of abortion.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
And with every dying chinese?
The solution to overpopulaton is not more killing but more homosexuality!
I think it's offensive to put real, actual people on the same level as a fetus.
Alceste
Vagabond
No kidding! What better way to magnify a brief moment of bad judgment into an entire lifetime of bad judgment than to bring an unwanted child into the world?
Me Myself
Back to my username
"I think it is offensive to put real actual people on the same level as a real actual person"
Alceste
Vagabond
God: the world's number one abortionist.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
"I think it is offensive to put real actual people on the same level as a real actual person"
So my thoughts, feelings, hopes and dreams are just as valuable as those of a fetus? Oh, wait. A fetus has the capacity for none of that, does it? *pop* out it goes and into the medical waste bin.
As I said... it devolves to semantics.... a very popular defense:
Der Untermensch www.HolocaustResearchProject.org
Love your avatar.... just think of how many fewer, potential soldiers abortions bless the world with!
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
Next you're going to tell me that I need to consider pigs as people too. Oh wait, wrong thread.
If your species is Homo sapiens sapiens you're a human. If you're no longer connected to a placenta to breathe or eat then you are an individual person.
I'm sure you're shocked, but this definition includes Jews, Muslims, Christians, Atheists, Blacks, Whites, Asians, indigenous peoples while still excluding a fetus, embryo, zygote, or cow.
Alceste
Vagabond
Yes, semantics is a popular defense - for your side.
"Why is it wrong to terminate an unwanted pregnancy before the fetus develops an ability to actually experience anything, such as sentience, death or pain?"
"Because I call it 'murder' and everybody knows murder is wrong."
"But why call it 'murder' when the 'victim' has none of the attributes of a living human being?"
"Because Hitler."
Nice argument, bro.
Alceste
Vagabond
Think how much less killing there would be in the world with fewer soldiers!
Sign me up.
Drolefille
PolyPanGeekGirl
Higher even per stats I listed earlier, 50-70 percent in the first trimester, typically before anyone knows they're pregnant. That doesn't include the number of 'known
' miscarriages.