Aids & the prophecy

[Wannabe Yogi]

He is an evil because he punish who will commit adultry,that is your logic
so you prefer the community to be promiscuous

He is mostly punishing the children of the people who has aids. They not only get the same disease but they have no parents to take care of them when they are sick. So it seems your "image" of God punishes kids for the sins of their parents.

Also God must love the rich secular Europeans and Japanese they have very long life expectancy, while hating Muslim Africans and Bangladeshis they live only a short time.

 

[McBell]

By the way: it's Al-Tabarani, not At-Tabarani.

What is interesting is that EVERYWHERE I have found that verse quoted it is ALWAYS credited to At-Tabarani and never to Al-Tabarani....
Yet I cannot find any where other than that quoted verse, where an At-tabarani wrote a single Hadith...

 

[Quagmire]

What is interesting is that EVERYWHERE I have found that verse quoted it is ALWAYS credited to At-Tabarani and never to Al-Tabarani....
Yet I cannot find any where other than that quoted verse, where an At-tabarani wrote a single Hadith...

Recurring spelling errors, one of the top-ten tell-tale signs of an internet urban legend.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

i dont want to talk here about my faith as it is not a place for preaching,but just
for debating,so i will stop at this point and regarding the children who have been
infected with AIDS,they will pass the test without exam,arent they lucky,that
they are born with faith and they didnt have any sins,so the one who will be
clean of sins will be called as "born again" - return as baby without sins.

I give up. I don't think I can reason with you.

If you really, truly think that deliberately infecting an innocent newborn baby with a horrible disease is a good thing, then your moral sense is so warped that it's useless.

I hope you're just trolling and you don't actually believe this.

 

[waitasec]

I don't think this argument works. You need air for survival, you don't need sex to survive.

the human species still needs sex to survive...
granted sometimes it consists of a dirty magazine and a cup...

 

[waitasec]

Hey, pay attention will you!

It is clear that at least one of the many many Hadith, NOT the Koran, says that they come from Allah:

“When promiscuous behaviour becomes widespread in a nation, Allah will send upon them such (strange) diseases that their own ancestors never heard of.” (Hadith At-Tabarani).

Source: The OP
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perhaps you did see the word "actually"

 

[Madhuri]

the human species still needs sex to survive...
granted sometimes it consists of a dirty magazine and a cup...

Lol, touche'.

 

[cablescavenger]

True. HIV/AIDs isn't an STD but, if I remember correctly, its a blood borne pathogen. Still, it is spreaded most frequently through sexual activities.

The OP's claim was specific to AIDS, and you will note in answering OP's point I was specific in my response.

Your address to me is partly true of HIV, but not AIDS (HIV is classed as an STD even though it can be passed on through non sexual behaviours).

 

[Rational_Mind]

'A type of plague will spread in Europe and other Christian countries, which will be very severe.'[1]

It never happens that permissiveness (fahsha) overwhelms a people to the extent that they display their acts of sex shamelessly and they are not uniquely punished by God. Among them, invariably, pestilence is made to spread and such other diseases, the like of which have never been witnessed by their forefathers.[2]

[1]Tazkirah (1969), Al-Shirkatul Islamiyyah Ltd., Rabwah. Urdu edition, p.705
[2]Sunan Ibn-e-Majah. Kitabul-Fitan, Babul-'Uqoobat. Vol.II. Dar-ul-Fikr Al-'Arabi, p.1333

The reader is reminded here that religious prophecies should not be treated over-literally. European and other Christian countries are mentioned only to help us to locate and identify the territories where this new type of plague will be most rampant. It does not mean that it will remain confined only to Europe and other Christian countries.

The prophecy of the Holy Foundersa of Islam clearly indicates the possibility of a much wider application because it binds this disease not to countries, but to a specific moral crime. Wherever that causative crime will spread, the punitive disease will follow. But it will only become epidemic in such countries as are excessively permissive. It matters not what the names of such countries are, nor does it matter much whether their population is predominantly Christian, or Hindu, or Muslim. The countries and religions are not causative. What is causative is permissiveness, hence wherever the cause is at work, the effect will certainly follow.

The AIDS Virus, Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge & Truth. By Mirza Tahir Ahmad.

 

[Debater Slayer]

By the way: it's Al-Tabarani, not At-Tabarani.

The correct spelling would actually be At-Tabarani, and there's a little explanation for that.

In Arabic, you have two types of "Al" articles: one is pronounced "Al"-noun, and the other as "At"-noun, and both are written the same way in Arabic.

The "Al" article which is pronounced the same way as it is written is called a "lunar Al", because the word for Moon in Arabic starts with it in this form.

The "solar Al", named so because the word for Sun in Arabic uses this form, differs in pronunciation in that the L is silent. One of the nouns that are preceded with such an article is At-Tabarani.

This would explain why in the English translation of the source that was posted earlier writing "At" instead of "Al" was preferred.

Anyway, I think this post has run its course. The Arabic lesson is over for today (I'm guessing Naykid is starting to get mad, too).

 

[cablescavenger]

'A type of plague will spread in Europe and other Christian countries, which will be very severe.'[1]

It never happens that permissiveness (fahsha) overwhelms a people to the extent that they display their acts of sex shamelessly and they are not uniquely punished by God. Among them, invariably, pestilence is made to spread and such other diseases, the like of which have never been witnessed by their forefathers.[2]

[1]Tazkirah (1969), Al-Shirkatul Islamiyyah Ltd., Rabwah. Urdu edition, p.705
[2]Sunan Ibn-e-Majah. Kitabul-Fitan, Babul-'Uqoobat. Vol.II. Dar-ul-Fikr Al-'Arabi, p.1333



The AIDS Virus, Revelation, Rationality, Knowledge & Truth. By Mirza Tahir Ahmad.

I could barely find anything resembling a fact in the entire article by Mirza Tahir Ahmad.

Perhaps we should all make up our own credentials rather than work for them

 

[Rational_Mind]

UNAIDS and WHO (December 1996) HIV/AIDS: The Global Epidemic. UN web site.

Now I can't be turning on mental faculties of someone who wishes to remain that way. Fear of the unknown.

 

[FearGod]

Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him warned all humanity regarding the STD

“When promiscuous behaviour becomes widespread in a nation, Allah will send upon them such (strange) diseases that their own ancestors never heard of.” (Hadith At-Tabarani).

Let us discuss the hadith and to see if it was not correct or if his advice was not worthful.

Some will say :
it is a forer effect,he could mean Potato.
Why he did not mention AIDS by name,so we could believe on him.
why he did not inform us how to treat it
why he did not inform us how it will be transferred to us by other means,why he did not mention blood transfusion for example
that make no sense
that is not logic
that is not science,that is philosophy
that is pointless
that was known before 5000 years ago,nothing new about it
we can use condoms

...................................................lets debate

who's talking about adultery?

breathing is as natural to the body as sex is

surely you are not implying people should stop breathing because they may acquire an air born illness...

your argument fails epically.

The hadith is not talking about the normal sex between husband and his wife,
but about sex due to promiscuous behaviour,i cant understand your example
of comparing sex with air,that you can never live without sex similar to air
otherwise you may die

That is your logic,but for me i can live without sex,and it is really amazing
that people are gasping for the most wonderful places in our body for sex,
such as the point closer to urine,the point of feces,saliva.

Regarding air,why not breathing clean fresh air instead than a polluted one,
or you can use gas mask,no problem

 

[idav]

God is more about cures rather than diseases.

 

[Quagmire]

Is this an authentic quote? Because I couldn't find it anywhere else on the web except for two other forums and what looks like a propaganda site.

Verse number might help.

By the way: it's Al-Tabarani, not At-Tabarani.

Hello????

 

[Rational_Mind]

[2]Sunan Ibn-e-Majah. Kitabul-Fitan, Babul-'Uqoobat. Vol.II. Dar-ul-Fikr Al-'Arabi, p.1333

 

[Quagmire]

[2]Sunan Ibn-e-Majah. Kitabul-Fitan, Babul-'Uqoobat. Vol.II. Dar-ul-Fikr Al-'Arabi, p.1333

Thank you. :yes:

 

[Rational_Mind]

By the way, it was already posted a few posts back.

 

[Quagmire]

By the way, it was already posted a few posts back.

Didn't see it, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't posted by the person I was asking (checked all of his posts).

 

[FearGod]

He is mostly punishing the children of the people who has aids. They not only get the same disease but they have no parents to take care of them when they are sick. So it seems your "image" of God punishes kids for the sins of their parents.

Also God must love the rich secular Europeans and Japanese they have very long life expectancy, while hating Muslim Africans and Bangladeshis they live only a short time.

God loves Japan !!!!!!!!

Are you Kidding??????

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