McBell
Unbound
Ah yes, the "God is just a kid with a magnifying glass" argument...
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Aids & the prophecy
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
God warned us about such disease,but we are not listening,and here it is,
we got a horrible disease called AIDS.
So do you think that god is kidding about the hell,or we have to wait to see
it true but after time had passed,then nothing to do but to feel sorry
about ourselves that we will pay for our sins for an eternity
(4:56) Surely, those who disbelieve in our revelations, we will condemn them to the hellfire. Whenever their skins are burnt, we will give them new skins. Thus, they will suffer continuously. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
Hope that we will be saved
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
Life expectancy at birth (years)
Japan 82.6
Afghanistan 43.8
By your logic Allah must love the Japanese more then the Muslims in Afghanistan.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
God warned us about such disease,but we are not listening,and here it is,
we got a horrible disease called AIDS.
So do you think that god is kidding about the hell,or we have to wait to see
it true but after time had passed,then nothing to do but to feel sorry
about ourselves that we will pay for our sins for an eternity
(4:56) Surely, those who disbelieve in our revelations, we will condemn them to the hellfire. Whenever their skins are burnt, we will give them new skins. Thus, they will suffer continuously. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.
Hope that we will be saved
God has revealed his messages though many religions...
Why would he punish, for lack of belief, in a particular religion of your choice.
God is not concerned about what we believe, he is concerned about what we do.
Aids is far from being the largest killer in this world. Its study has advanced medical research not only in fighting Aids but many other diseases. This is the normal expectation following the advent new diseases.
The Establishment of new diseases and their cure, is the province of medical science. It has nothing to do with God or religion.
You prevent Illness through vaccination and medical precautions, not prayer.
How about Japan just being a collection of islands in an active earthquake area, rather than it being "cursed" by God?
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
That is your logic and not mine,there is no relation between religion and disease,AIDS is caused because of obscenity,but you are talking now about god or allah ,yes he warned us that our obscenity will lead to such disease, but he did not say that because of lack of our faith,a new disease will spread among us,please read and understand well before making your comments.
McBell
Unbound
You would do good to follow your own advice.
Rational_Mind
Ahmadi Muslim
I hope the person I am referring to does not take offence. Please think through what you write, you may have a good intention but go against your own cause.
Maybe this will help understand the concept if I refer people here to a similar topic. It is wrong to say that every lightning that strikes was a punishment or if you jump into the deep end of a pool while not knowing how to swim then it is a punishment. Second issue is the confusion on how it happens, some people raise the question that it is only natural. Yes, but that is how we expect God to use his will, within the nature of the creation. So when a miracle happens, it is misunderstood by many that the claim is that it was against the laws of nature. It may appear to be such, only because you have limited understanding. A certain law may come into affect that you may not be aware of, what is unique about it is told by someone who claims to get knowledge from God. And it is clear as day that it could not have been any educational guess. Later it may appear as simple as day when man increases in knowledge, but in the time frame certain knowledge was given to someone that when it came about, brings the question how the person knew. The answer repeats over and over again, from the All-Knowing.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam-dir/112962-high-rise-natural-disasters-chaos-earth.html
"Despite harbouring the belief that misfortunes and calamities are an act of God and at His Will, the Ahmadiyya Community does not believe that each and every accident of nature, disaster, upheaval or change for the worse is a reflection of divine punishment or chastisement. Failing to understand the true import of such a stand, an atheist invariably resorts to criticism and objections. To a degree, his objections are understandable." (this is hyperlinked)
-Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad
The Review of Religions, December 1993
Maybe this will help understand the concept if I refer people here to a similar topic. It is wrong to say that every lightning that strikes was a punishment or if you jump into the deep end of a pool while not knowing how to swim then it is a punishment. Second issue is the confusion on how it happens, some people raise the question that it is only natural. Yes, but that is how we expect God to use his will, within the nature of the creation. So when a miracle happens, it is misunderstood by many that the claim is that it was against the laws of nature. It may appear to be such, only because you have limited understanding. A certain law may come into affect that you may not be aware of, what is unique about it is told by someone who claims to get knowledge from God. And it is clear as day that it could not have been any educational guess. Later it may appear as simple as day when man increases in knowledge, but in the time frame certain knowledge was given to someone that when it came about, brings the question how the person knew. The answer repeats over and over again, from the All-Knowing.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/islam-dir/112962-high-rise-natural-disasters-chaos-earth.html
"Despite harbouring the belief that misfortunes and calamities are an act of God and at His Will, the Ahmadiyya Community does not believe that each and every accident of nature, disaster, upheaval or change for the worse is a reflection of divine punishment or chastisement. Failing to understand the true import of such a stand, an atheist invariably resorts to criticism and objections. To a degree, his objections are understandable." (this is hyperlinked)
-Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad
The Review of Religions, December 1993
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
Sorry read your own OP.
Can't you see the contradictions in your own argument. The absurdity of the opening comment is evident to all. I have nothing against Islam or Muslims. It is the concept that God sends disease to punish bad behavior. Disease is in the natural order. In the West Aids does effect a disproportionate number of gay folks. In Africa it is not a gay disease at all, it effects straight people and lots a children who had nothing to do with the "obscenity" as you call it. The large numbers of people suffering are not gay, they are straight.
Tell me how an orphan two year old, being raised by her 8 year old sister (who has aids her self), has been promiscuous in any way. Why would God want to punish them for the "sins" of their father ? Why would God carpet bomb when he has the technology to use smart weapons?
My friend you have dig your self in a hole you just can't get your way out .
Give up and stop digging.
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FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
i said not because of lack of faith,we are not talking about punishment to one religion or another,but to any nation,muslim,christian or whatsoever,but here
you were talking about Japan and Afganistan for life expectancy and god's love,
So did i ever mention a faith or whatsoever.
Yes god can punish,and his promise have been fulfilled and AIDS is a real,
But once again and for one hundred times,there is no relation between religion
and such punishment,but the reason is obscenity and not your faith.
HOPE YOU GOT THE MESSEGE
McBell
Unbound
So you are saying that Allah has no problems punishing the innocent for the sins of the guilty?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
if talking about children then they will be in the paradise,all children,whatever their parent's religion if they died by AIDS or whatever the cause.
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McBell
Unbound
I am talking about everyone who gets the AIDS who have not committed adultery.
You are claiming that AIDS is Allah's punishment for adultery, right?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
The most common ways to transfer the disease is by sex intercourse and next
is by the people using drugs by needle injections,so who is the innocent,
please explain,as the virus will not transfer in an easy way
McBell
Unbound
Babies born with it.
Blood transfusions.
So please explain why Allah feels it just fine to inflict an infant with a disease he sent to punish adulterers. Since they have not committed adultery, why are they being punished?
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
As i said to you infants and children are in paradise,if you believe about it.
Thanks god that he guided us to test the blood before transfusion,so we can
know that such person got a dirty blood due to adultery,then we avoid to
use his dirty blood and care should be done to dispose it.
http://timelines.latimes.com/media/event_images/22/62102590.jpg
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
In many parts of the world philandering husbands bring home the disease to there faithful wives. There wives are innocent in your system of morals. Yet they not only have to live with Aids but the guilt of infecting some of their children. When the parents die the children must grow up without a strong family. They are much more likely to engage in unethical behaviors as adults. Then I guess God will have to punish the kids, because of His punishment against there innocent mother.
Maybe the Idea is not to judge but to serve those who are suffering. It is above my pay grade to figure out who needs to be punished.
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Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
This is true in rich countries not poor ones. People are infected by bad blood and even unclean needles. I had a friend who witnessed poor people given shots with the same needle.
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McBell
Unbound
Ah, so you refuse to address the issue...
Seems your beliefs have a few wrinkles that you have decided to iron out with denial.