Aids & the prophecy

[FearGod]

In many parts of the world philandering husbands bring home the disease to there faithful wives. There wives are innocent in your system of morals. Yet they not only have to live with Aids but the guilt of infecting some of their children. When the parents die the children must grow up without a strong family. They are much more likely to engage in unethical behaviors as adults. Then I guess God will have to punish the kids, because of His punishment against there innocent mother.

Maybe the Idea is not to judge but to serve those who are suffering. It is above my pay grade to figure out who needs to be punished.

The likelihood of contracting a sexually transmitted disease (STD) is very high today when one engages in illicit sex. This fact must be seriously considered when a partner or one preparing for marriage has engaged in sexual sin, especially in its effect on the spouse or sexual partner. Fear rests in the hearts of many, especially women over this major current issue.
Each succeeding disease seems worse that the last.
-It the past it was mainly Syphilis and Gonorrhoea.
-The Herpes virus began terrorising people in 1976.
-Chlamydia began making headlines in the early 80s and is now one of the most common STD.
-Then came the HPV virus causing genital warts, which is now spreading faster than the others.
Finally, the vicious plague of AIDS.
This is the result of the sexual revolution which began in the 50s. How true the scriptural statements are, "The way of transgressors is hard" (Proverbs 13:15) and, "There is no peace, says the Lord, for the wicked" (Isaiah 48:22). The trouble is, though, many innocent persons become unjustly infected, such as a virgin who marries an infected husband, or an innocent wife who becomes infected from an unfaithful husband. Sexually Transmitted Diseases

God warned us and we didnt listen and even you accuse him that he is killing
the inoccents,but he didnt,but we did because we are the responsible for our
bad deeds as a community.

Death for innocents are normal process not only by aids,but by many other ways,
such as cancers and many other diseases plus disasters (earthquakes) and accidents,
but that is not an excuse to be an atheist and to judge god the creator,
who are we compared to god the almighty.

i think that you have a delicated heart,can you kill an ant or you will feel sorry
about it,can you eat the chicken,why you did?it was killed just for you to eat it.

Who are we compared to god,we are nothing,we should not try to think of our
selves as better than him and even judging him,that is silly.

‘He chooses for His mercy whomsoever He pleases. And Allah is Lord of exceeding bounty.’Aal-e-`Imran Chapter 3 : Verse 75

So, as for those who believe in Allah and hold fast to Him, He will surely admit them to His mercy and grace and will guide them on a straight path leading to Himself.Al-Nisa' Chapter 4 : Verse 176

But whoso repents after his transgression and amends, then will Allah surely turn to him in mercy; verily, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.Al-Ma'idah Chapter 5 : Verse 40

And when those who believe in Our Signs come to thee, say: ‘Peace be unto you! Your Lord has taken it upon Himself to show mercy, so that whoso among you does evil ignorantly, and repents thereafter and amends, then He is Most Forgiving, Merciful.’Al-An`am Chapter 6 : Verse 55

And thy Lord is Self-Sufficient, full of mercy. If He please, He can do away with you and cause to succeed you what He pleases, even as He raised you from the offspring of other people.Al-An`am Chapter 6 : Verse 134

And if We had mercy on them and relieved them of their affliction, they would still persist in their transgression, wandering blindly.Al-Mu'minun Chapter 23 : Verse 76

Were it not for the grace of Allah and His mercy upon you, in this world and the Hereafter, a great punishment would have befallen you for the slander into which you plunged.Al-Nur Chapter 24 : Verse 15

He punishes whom He pleases and shows mercy unto whom He pleases; and to Him will you be turned back Al-`Ankabut Chapter 29 : Verse 22

Those who disbelieve in the Signs of Allah and the meeting with Him — it is they who have despaired of My mercy. And they will have a grievous punishment.Al-`Ankabut Chapter 29 : Verse 24

And when We make mankind taste of mercy, they rejoice therein; but if an evil befall them because of that which their own hands have sent on, behold! they are in despair Al-Rum Chapter 30 : Verse 37

Say, ‘Who is it that can save you against Allah if it be His wish to do you harm or if it be His wish to show you mercy?’ And they will not find for themselves any friend or helper other than Allah.Al-Ahzab Chapter 33 : Verse 18

 

[Marble]

The likelihood of contracting a sexually transmitted disease (STD) is very high today when one engages in illicit sex. This fact must be seriously considered when a partner or one preparing for marriage has engaged in sexual sin, especially in its effect on the spouse or sexual partner. Fear rests in the hearts of many, especially women over this major current issue.

In Islam: Can a woman demand that the man she is supposed to marry undergoes an AIDS test?
Can a wife demand that her husband undergoes an AIDS test, and can she divorce him when the test is positive?

 

[terryboy]

One of these decades we will get rid of AIDS and your Allah will be ashamed.

MIT Lincoln Laboratory: News: DRACO

 

[McBell]

One of these decades we will get rid of AIDS and your Allah will be ashamed.

MIT Lincoln Laboratory: News: DRACO

um...
let us assume that Allah did in fact send AIDS.
How would our finding a cure cause Allah to be ashame?

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

God warned us and we didnt listen and even you accuse him that he is killing
the inoccents,but he didnt,but we did because we are the responsible for our
bad deeds as a community.

Diseases are a natural part of life. I just don't believe that God smotes people.

but that is not an excuse to be an atheist and to judge god the creator,
who are we compared to god the almighty.

My religion is not of blind faith. God can handle my questions.

i think that you have a delicated heart,can you kill an ant or you will feel sorry
about it,can you eat the chicken,why you did?it was killed just for you to eat it.

If you mean do I care about people yes.

I will not kill an ant unless I need to. I don't eat meat. Yet, I was raised in a family of cowboys on my fathers side. I learned to use a rifle by the age of 7.
My teacher was my father, he was a special forces war hero. I have shot large game and gutted them in the field by the age of 12. My dad even showed me how to butcher a deer. Today I do not eat any meat. Because it is completely unnecessary and causes great suffering for both humans and animals. It is not weakness but ethics.

 

[terryboy]

um...
let us assume that Allah did in fact send AIDS.
How would our finding a cure cause Allah to be ashame?

I was referring to 'his' Allah, who sent AIDS to torment us.
He should be ashamed because he's so powerful but so stupid for sending us a curable disease to punish us for our promiscuity.

 

[FearGod]

Diseases are a natural part of life. I just don't believe that God smotes people.

if you dont beleive with a percent of % 99.9,then there is still % 0.1 which to beleive
that god do the punishment,and still you will not beleive till the judgement day,then
what is your feeling if god punishment is true as he did with AIDS and then you will
be driven to the hell,would you please explain to us your feeling at that time with
your full knowledge that you will not die,but the problem that you will live forever in pains.just % 0.1 that god is a reality can become a true

“Those who reject our signs, We shall cast into the fire; as often as their skins are roasted through. We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the punishment; for Allah is Exalted in power; Wise.” ( 4:56)

God knows that the skin only is responsible for the feelings of pains by fire and not
our meats,be stubborn and make always excuses to be an atheist

For they loved the life of this world more than the life to come; and God does not guide those who do not believe (16:107)

They are the ones whose hearts and ears and eyes have been sealed by God; and these are the heedless.(16:108)

They will surely be losers in the life to come(16:109)

My religion is not of blind faith. God can handle my questions.

He is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned (21:23)

If you mean do I care about people yes.

I will not kill an ant unless I need to. I don't eat meat. Yet, I was raised in a family of cowboys on my fathers side. I learned to use a rifle by the age of 7.
My teacher was my father, he was a special forces war hero. I have shot large game and gutted them in the field by the age of 12. My dad even showed me how to butcher a deer. Today I do not eat any meat. Because it is completely unnecessary and causes great suffering for both humans and animals. It is not weakness but ethics.

Good,you will not kill an ant without a reason,you are right.

But,if you got the ability to inform the ants not to pass from a specific road which
you will pass and you may step over them and kill them by your foot and then you
warned them not to pass from this road otherwise you will kill them.

Some obey and will not pass and will be saved,but the others will not listen and
will die under your foot.

Will you cry and feel sorry about them.

 

[McBell]

I was referring to 'his' Allah, who sent AIDS to torment us.
He should be ashamed because he's so powerful but so stupid for sending us a curable disease to punish us for our promiscuity.

So you are claiming that all punishments from Allah have to be eternal?

 

[McBell]

if you dont beleive with a percent of % 99.9,then there is still % 0.1 which to beleive
that god do the punishment,and still you will not beleive till the judgement day,then
what is your feeling if god punishment is true as he did with AIDS and then you will
be driven to the hell,would you please explain to us your feeling at that time with
your full knowledge that you will not die,but the problem that you will live forever in pains.just % 0.1 that god is a reality can become a true

“Those who reject our signs, We shall cast into the fire; as often as their skins are roasted through. We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the punishment; for Allah is Exalted in power; Wise.” ( 4:56)

God knows that the skin only is responsible for the feelings of pains by fire and not
our meats,be stubborn and make always excuses to be an atheist

"Believe or go to hell" is not a convincing argument.

Will you cry and feel sorry about them.

Nope.
but then your analogy fails cause being stepped on can be shown to the ant.
The wrath of your deity has not been shown outside your unsupported claims.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

God knows that the skin only is responsible for the feelings of pains by fire and not
our meats,be stubborn and make always excuses to be an atheist

Who's an Atheist ?

They are the ones whose hearts and ears and eyes have been sealed by God; and these are the heedless.(16:108)

What are you talking about ? I have no worries what makes you think I am heedless ?

He is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned (21:23)

Many traditions God welcomes Questions ! Ever read the book of Job in the Old Testament.

But,if you got the ability to inform the ants not to pass from a specific road which
you will pass and you may step over them and kill them by your foot and then you
warned them not to pass from this road otherwise you will kill them.

Some obey and will not pass and will be saved,but the others will not listen and
will die under your foot.

Will you cry and feel sorry about them.

This an absurd analogy how can the finite have any Idea about the infinite.

 

[Rational_Mind]

I will not kill an ant unless I need to. I don't eat meat. Yet, I was raised in a family of cowboys on my fathers side. I learned to use a rifle by the age of 7.
My teacher was my father, he was a special forces war hero. I have shot large game and gutted them in the field by the age of 12. My dad even showed me how to butcher a deer. Today I do not eat any meat. Because it is completely unnecessary and causes great suffering for both humans and animals. It is not weakness but ethics.

Do you think that this way of life is more in conformance with being spiritual or makes you more closer to what God intended for man?

 

[idav]

God warned us about such disease,but we are not listening,and here it is,
we got a horrible disease called AIDS.

So do you think that god is kidding about the hell,or we have to wait to see
it true but after time had passed,then nothing to do but to feel sorry
about ourselves that we will pay for our sins for an eternity

(4:56) Surely, those who disbelieve in our revelations, we will condemn them to the hellfire. Whenever their skins are burnt, we will give them new skins. Thus, they will suffer continuously. GOD is Almighty, Most Wise.

Hope that we will be saved

The best part is when god gives the diseases to the innocent babies. He is most wise.

It isn't a prophecy to say that people will get diseases, that is just common sense.

 

[terryboy]

So you are claiming that all punishments from Allah have to be eternal?

I am not claiming anything, why would you think I claim so?

 

[DarkSun]

Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him warned all humanity regarding the STD

“When promiscuous behaviour becomes widespread in a nation, Allah will send upon them such (strange) diseases that their own ancestors never heard of.” (Hadith At-Tabarani).

Let us discuss the hadith and to see if it was not correct or if his advice was not worthful.

Some will say :
it is a forer effect,he could mean Potato.
Why he did not mention AIDS by name,so we could believe on him.
why he did not inform us how to treat it
why he did not inform us how it will be transferred to us by other means,why he did not mention blood transfusion for example
that make no sense
that is not logic
that is not science,that is philosophy
that is pointless
that was known before 5000 years ago,nothing new about it
we can use condoms

...................................................lets debate

Nice graph.

I found one you might like to complement it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-KVN7AVE_Uzg/TxW3qq2B10I/AAAAAAAAAxk/ujlnMECB67g/s1600/WolrdPopulation.jpg

Notice how the total number of people that can potentially be infected with AIDS tends to grow exponentially with time.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Do you think that this way of life is more in conformance with being spiritual or makes you more closer to what God intended for man?

I don't eat meat as a personal discipline a way for me personally to live a life of harmony with the world I live in. A method to a desired end result. I do not believe someone is bad because they do not follow the same way of life as I do. There are many paths in life.

 

[Rational_Mind]

I don't eat meat as a personal discipline a way for me personally to live a life of harmony with the world I live in. A method to a desired end result. I do not believe someone is bad because they do not follow the same way of life as I do. There are many paths in life.

Do you think that is the way God intended? Are you more harmonious with nature by choosing this personal discipline.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Do you think that is the way God intended?

Since I am being forced to anthropomorphize God the answer would be no. It seems that humans evolved with the capacity to eat meat.

Are you more harmonious with nature by choosing this personal discipline.

Yes, because I am eating lower on the food chain and leaving a smaller carbon footprint.

 

[FearGod]

Since I am being forced to anthropomorphize God the answer would be no. It seems that humans evolved with the capacity to eat meat.



Yes, because I am eating lower on the food chain and leaving a smaller carbon footprint.

Do you think according to your belief that there is an after life after death and do
you believe that there is a judgement day?


Do you believe that there is god or just everything was done by coincedent ?

 

[cablescavenger]

Now I can't be turning on mental faculties of someone who wishes to remain that way. Fear of the unknown.

Sorry, you should have quoted me then I would have seen this earlier.

I did see Mirza had referenced the UNAIDS and the WHO, but there is no evidence he used them and the fact he could not differentiate between the two suggest he did little reading on them.

I have received professional training in HIV and AIDS, and worked in the field for a couple of years in the early '90s and and can assure you Mirza's piece is factually incorrect.

Mirza is speaking with authority on something he displays little comprehension of, which is why I said:

Perhaps we should all make up our own credentials rather than work for them

... but you won't take my word for it, and I wouldn't blame you.You have two pretty good sources now, WHO and UNAIDS, so for me it would be more rewarding if you did your own reading.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Do you think according to your belief that there is an after life after death and do
you believe that there is a judgement day?

On the highest level, life after death is not even an Issue. There is a unity to all that is. But yes I believe in life after death.

I do not believe that we are going before a God who looks like an old man with a big white beard sitting on a throne in heaven, deciding ware we spend the rest of our existence. Every day is Judgement Day and all of us should be accountable for how we live. Behaving correctly because we will earn our way in to paradise is not love. People who say prayers to go to heaven (even 5 times a day) does not love God but is more like a religion of the businessman. I will do this and you will give me that. If I was to marry a woman and said I will marry her because she is rich and I will get a nice car and live in a Mansion. Who would believe that I really love this woman... nobody ! Yet, we find It ok for people to say they Love God and they get to go to paradise because of it. Or I follow Gods rules so he won't give me some terrible illness. This is not my view of the highest morality that I want to follow. I have much more respect for an Atheist who follows some ethical priceable just because it is right. At least he/she loves the truth.